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Secessionist movements won't occur unless people are really backed into a wall and revert to their primal levels of identity (probably racial). Since the US's ability to export infinity dollars will come to an end in the next 20 years or so US elites will either:

1. Start an insane suicidal war with China to desperately keep the system going which will likely involve nukes and millions dead.

2. Loose the ability to govern with such high deficits and parasitic relationships with military, financial and pharmaceutical companies that waste billions of dollars that the entire system collapses and they flee to New Zealand.

They're really trying to get 1 to work but I think 2 is more likely. Even the leftist (economic not woke) Michael Hudson thinks there will be fighting between groups based of racial and geographic lines.

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On her best day, MTG is a preening moron. Generally, she's just a moron. In the popular mind, 'secession' means different things to different people. Deep down, it's a process and that process is different for every situation. But it starts with secession in the heart. And, being a Boomer, I think I can say with some confidence that the Boomers are the demographic most ego-invested in 'exceptionalism'. As the Boomers fade into non-existence, so too will the appeal of 'exceptionalism'. For good reason, those who come after us are less attracted to - or moved by - the symbols and rhetoric of 'exceptionalism'. The ruling class will have to work some other angle in order to keep the centrifugal forces inside their multi-racial anti-national empire from spinning out of control.

Looked at as a process, 'secession' is already happening via nullification. The Tenth Amendment Center is a good source for what's going on in the area of nullification in the US. People may have a sentimental attachment to 'the Union' but this is balanced by the American tendency toward anarchism as a political culture, a culture that becomes more pronounced the farther West you go until you cross the Rocky Mountains.

There is this tendency on the Right to think in terms of drama and theater, big moments and big personalities. As Rolo points out, Marxists tend to think in terms of processes that move toward critical moments. A different view is to look for processes that don't lead to a critical moment but that nonetheless either exploit - or are the source of - crisis.

There is unhappiness with the situation, but since 'one size fits all' is the source of much of that unhappiness, don't look for 'one size fits all' solutions coming from genuine dissidents.

The folks in Texas, Utah, Wyoming and Tennessee are creating the infrastructure to support a separate precious metal currency are not leftists or rightists. They're just practical people who think 'hard money' is better money and are sick of the adverse effects of the Federals Reserve's monetary policy. But running your own state currency is a radical act of '5G secession'.

The people creating 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' zones are very serious about opposing the Feds.

The kind of thing that matters is not the thing that the DC/NYC/LA nexus want to advertise. That's why it's little recognized.

I predict the movement that unravels 'America' isn't going to be 'the party of the vanguard' that opposes 'America' but a vanguard of political technicians who are, themselves, part of the people who have a different version of 'America'.

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