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Certainly seems like the walls are closing in now. MoD cooperating with NATO to take out a General who is popular and respected amongst the actual troops. Than there is Surovikin, even if he is overated he too is nonetheless popular...gotta get rid of anyone in the Military who might be able to make trouble by leveraging popularity and authority amongst men who will fight. Of course Prigozhin isn't trustworthy but this all certainly does lend credence to claims that he may have been targeted for assassination. The Kremlin не бросают своих but he crossed the line when he started trying to throw Shoigu under bus and cultivate a real following amongst people the Kremlin hates and fears. I don't think this is just a post not mutiny purge, I think the Kremlin is cleaning house pre surrender.

If surrender is around the corner Wagner wanting to get hell out of Russia and away from MoD makes perfect sense doesn't it? That is guys like Prigozhin and Utkin would know damn well that MoD would start purging to prep the surrender, wouldn't guys like Prigozhin and the Wagner leadership want guarantees? They know what happened to the original Russian spring heros, being a Russian hero is very, very dangerous.

I've seen lots of well meaning Z fanboys gloating that NATO didn't give Zelensky any guarantees. Well Ukraine has about served it's purpose now. Black Rock and Monsanto own the country and there's more future perspective for money laundering, organ harvesting, drug running, etc etc if it's just turned into an even worse version of Albania than some pseudo respectable official EU/NATO country. The official decline from NATO could very well signal that Ukraines services won't be needed to the same extent in the foreseeable future.

Than there is Ergodan dick slapping Moscow. Like maybe he knows as well that surrender is around the corner and which way the wind is blowing.

It's all so cynical and sickening. The Russian troops in the trenches have genuinely done outstanding work the past month. They legit have wrecked the best NATO proxi Army ever. But the Kremlin will not even consider for a second how to capitalize on that and work towards winning a little. No they just want to try and buy some decent surrender terms they can spin to the peasants. Looking back now it's obvious that the Russian troops never had a chance in this not war. With this kind of leadership victory isn't possible because the leadership isn't looking for it anyway. They never were actually.

It was literally all about bailing out Medvedchuck who is no better really than Zelensky or Poroshenko and putting him in charge of Ukraine and surrendering Crimea and Donbass. That's it. There was never a chance for anything good to come from the SMO. Feels bad.

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William Justice's avatar

Interesting note that Shoigu may have assisted the Ukes in trying to target Popov. It makes me consider whether some of the several Russian generals killed earlier in the not war were gotten out of the way in this manner. It would be interesting to see how many of them were pro or anti-Shoigu faction, and whether a pattern emerges

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