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Dr Livci's avatar

Not totally sold that Wagner took Soledar, Bakhmuts etc via meat storm. For a meat storm to really work the stormers need a respectable advantage in manpower and I don't think that's ever been the case for the Russian side ever. If anything Wagner had parity with the Ukrainians in the best cases and was often outnumbered. This would of course apply to MoD units as well wherever they are on the line.

Whats made Wagner more successful imo is just that unlike MoD they are a decently run organisation from top to bottom. For example when Wagner actually has enough artillery ammo their stormaviki can call for support directly with no middle men. MoD have no encrypted comms at all as a rule and often just no comms what so ever between units bigger than platoons. Wagner does have comms. Utkin, Lotus, and even Prigozhin himself seem to well respected with in Wagner. If they had the reputation for being merciless butchers of their own men would that be the case?

Theres no doubt at all Wagners casualties are high and if you are a stormaviki you have a pretty good chance of being maimed or killed before your contract is up. But thats because you will be expected to defeat opponents who outnumber and gun you who are fighting defense in urban terrian. That is there isnt anything especially impressive about zerg rush meat assault victories, but Wagners achievements actually are fairly impressive considering the odds stacked against them. And again this is a tribute to Wagner just having fairly competent leadership from top to bottom whereas with MoD units the competent leadership is absent above the company level in most cases.

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samoan62's avatar

Every day it feels more and more like the real war is between Russian oligarchic factions. The US doesn't even care anymore and are just hoping this wraps up on a high note before elections.

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