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When it comes to Russia and Putin these Westerners who hold platinum 5D chess/cuckold club memberships are forced to meme the Kremlins morality extra hard because of the absence of tangible practical success and sometimes go as far as saying the Kremlins Ls are due to its Uber morals. Prigozhin wasn't so loved in Russia because of his morality, it was because Wagner got shit done that Russians actually care about. When Prigo berated MoD the 5Ders couldn't side with Wagner because calling them incompetent is to also imply they are immoral, furthermore calling moral people immoral is also immoral and that means Prigozhin must be immoral but he was also the only guy whose fighters were making any progress. Thus the 5D interdimensional fart connoisseurs chose to say as absolutely little about Prigozhin as possible, not even remotely get into his actual claims and instead focus on how it was immoral for him to speak out at all in their limited coverage of him. Well that and claim "well without MoD Wagner wouldn't have gotten anything done" as if the whole war wouldn't have basically collapsed had not Wagner been there to basically fight 75% of it while MoD was in headlong retreat from Kharkov and Herson and scrambling to mobilize just enough guys to stave off total defeat.

Anyway even those very few Patriots in Russia like Strelkov who are anti Wagner never framed their opposition in terms of morality but in terms of them being dangerous to the State, which was true. He also warned that Wagner being the only people making progress made them especially dangerous, because unlike Westerners who view Russia only in moral terms actual Russians would sympathetize with those who had a track record of success which the Kremlin absolutely does not have and Russians don't respond to moral arguments like 5D supporters of multipolar globalism in one country do. They mostly respond positively to whoever looks like they can stop the trainwreck morality aside.

Look at how they are mostly positive about Stalin and Ivan Gronzy despite all the people they killed. Russians would totally overlook Putins philandering if he just got shit done that Russians wanted. And has Nicholas the 2nds genuine morality saved his reputation in Russia? No not really. Russians will defend him against slander but he isn't overly admired either. Martyred unjustly sure, but people don't think "we need another Nicholas" they think we need another Stalin or Ivan Gronzy depending on whether they gravitate red or white.

Basically Russians care way, way more about justice than morality per se. They don't hate the oligarchy because they begrudge people yachts and hookers. It's just that they don't like parasites in general. Again Prigozhin was a very good illustration of this, normal Russians were perfectly aware that he broke laws chronically, stole money etc. But in telegram comments it was common to see "well at least he actually does something for Russia and gives back unlike the rest of them". Russians will overlook alot of immorality if someone is as seen as at least doing something that benefits Russia. Basically morality in the West is much more equated with following commandments whether religious or state than in Russia where it's far more associated with justice and results. And that's a point in Russias favor.

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Wizard's avatar

It sucks that you are not earning a comfortable living considering your insight and talent. If I ever become rich, I'll be happy to back you. :) 

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