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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

Another disaster where thousands were forced to evacuate, animals left to drown, farms obliterated as catastrophic floods engulfed low-lying areas.

They say the dam holds back a reservoir equal in volume to Utah's Great Salt Lake--locals call it the "Kakhovka Sea."

In any event, it's a damn shame. A comment not meant to be amusing, but to emphasize the tragedy of a country being systematically destroyed while the most powerless are either being slaughtered or coerced into become refugees.

"As of May 2022, 100 million individuals were forcibly displaced worldwide. This accounts for an increase of 10.7 million people displaced from the end of the previous year, propelled by the war in Ukraine and other deadly conflicts."

One could cynically believe a demographic shift of the world's population is being deliberately orchestrated. As it doesn't take a genius to know the sociological outcome of endless wars and political instability.

But I digress, as the decimated dam is the most recent crisis which should be addressed. That being said, I'm not a structural engineer but wouldn't you need to plant high-powered underwater explosives at just the right

depth in order to demolish such an enormous concrete structure. It would require a skilled team. Perhaps, the Nord Stream divers were available or a similar bunch looking for a side hustle.

Nontheless, it's hard to imagine why anyone would want to jeopardize a dam which might supply water to Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station. Here's a link of what would happen if that nuclear plant blows.

https://www.sgr.org.uk/resources/nuclear-power-ukraine-what-would-happen-if-zaporizhzhia-was-hit#:~:text=At%20Zaporizhzhia%2C%20the%20large%20amounts,site%20and%20city%20of%20Enerhodar.

Another reason why nuclear plants if built should only be constructed in locations where "billionaires reside." I'm sick and tired of seeing the middle-class poisoned, radiated, or drowned for profit.

And that pretty much sums up this Ukraine mess which is another needless manufactured crisis where the middle-class, poor, and elderly are sacrificed so wealthy mobster rulers residing in splendor on every continent can abscond with additional billions.

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Bugey libre's avatar

I like twice this comment for it's inherent humanity.

"it's hard to imagine why anyone would want to jeopardize a dam which might supply water to Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station. "

As soon as you understand psychopathy, it's painful but imaginable, understandable.

Take car good soul.

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Bugey libre's avatar

Take care good soul...

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

To be more precise it's misanthropic wealthy psychopaths, as they possess the power to cause misery.

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Shooter 6's avatar

The Thais have a saying: "When elephants fight, all the grass is flattened." That's pretty much where I'm at.

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Dr Livci's avatar

The Resident guys say the Ukrainians blew the dam and in about 2 weeks the water will have receded enough to go on the offensive minus the swept away defences. Makes sense to me, the Russian wont restore all those defenses in 2 weeks, the dam being blown is yet more atrocity porn to blame on Russia and in 2 weeks the Ukrainians will have an easier time attacking if they want to. Its not like Russia has enough guys to reinforce that front to compensate for the lost minefields and all that. So blowing of up the dam only benefits Russia in the immediate short term really and Ukraine long term.

According to the both Ukrainian and Z rumor mill Zaluzhny was in serious disagreement with Zelensky about both trying to hold Bakhmut for so long and how/when to conduct the offensive. If thats true and it sounds possible than my only hope is that Zelensky bungles the offensive. Zaluzhny may or may not have been wounded but it very much looks like he is on the outs. And thats good for pro Russians because he was pretty competent and deserves most the credit for Ukraines achievements so far. I mean he deserves the credit after Shoigu and the Kremlin. Its a long shot but I hope the Ukrainians start fighting dumber due to political pressure on Zelensky from the US.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

I heard it would take a month.

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Honeybee's avatar

Well done, Rolo. Well done. I make various predictions about all sorts of people and events, but I, too, base those predictions on observable evidence. Otherwise, you're dealing with unicorns and rainbows, which is what passes for reasoned argument in the U.S. today.

We live in Kali Yuga. Everything is inverted. Nothing is what it appears. The astute have long deduced this conclusion. So, yes. You can only wait to see other evidence appear or disappear to continue connecting any dots.

The question everyone with the semblance of a brain should have wondered in the first month of Russia's "limited operation" is why they didn't take the entire country. No one on the world's stage, outside of shitting in their pants, would have done anything. They're essentially cowards, and if unexpected events occur, they fumble with their phone calling their handler for the next move.

The Elités don't want to use nuclear weapons because they simply want far less population and an unspoiled planet for their dreams. Why do you think they're cataloguing everything? Every tree?

Every stream? What will they do in a nuclear winter but suffer below ground for decades or try to fly to Mars and restore their destroyed planet? They're spoiled and greedy, and in actuality, very few have the discipline and drive necessary.

The real inescapable point no one should ignore is that Russia has had the weapons and manpower and has produced zero results.

I will tell you this. Whoever is running this operation overall is extremely brilliant. I speak of no one on the NATO/American side nor Russian side...you understand? Using people against people. The script and play designated to the Russians has been played once too often. War and decimation of their people. The layers in this script are intricate to fool the best of you.

Americans have grown fat and lazy. They were easy to subvert. Most have sold their souls for the McMansion in which they reside while their daughter gets kicked off her university's swimming team because a guy has decided to conceal his penis into his tuckable swimsuit and play female.

I would say the best anyone can produce lies within our gut feelings. This is also an intricate operation because the mind will likely want to rule that initial intuition. How pure can you stay with that initial feeling and let it develop? The gut feeling may well prove false...but eventually lead to truth.

Who knew that William Butler Yeats would become a prophet? His oft-quoted poem exactly and accurately describes our times.

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity."

No. They don't care about you. They don't care about your children. They don't care about your heritage. They don't care about your culture. The don't care about wars and suffering propagated as long as they levy their Will upon humankind.

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Bugey libre's avatar

Musical version of your comment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pqi8vjTLY

In Brazil with my rasta brothers of Olodum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q

Yeats poem is indeed so accurate. thanks

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Honeybee's avatar

Ah, thank you, Bugey. I never listened to Michael Jackson nor followed him so I was unaware he had a song with this title. I enjoyed the videos excepting the impotent rage they expressed. What do the extras do when the video ends? Why...go back to their prisons! All that rage wasted.

Impotent rage leads to this kind of prison. I'm 74 and won't be here. I guarantee you this is the future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkepoLUZfs

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Bugey libre's avatar

Thanks for the movie. I guarantee you that I won't be alive in that future elder.

This could also be the future, one of the possible future. The most likely? I don't know. I just don't want to live in that future, another scenario, written by those who cherish the great mystery of Life and freedom of anothrone where solar EMP would have knocked down the power grid and where again the fitest start thing all over again.

"What do the extras do when the video ends?" In the case of "Olodum", in the Brazilian version, it was a grass root cultural spiritual movement designed to educate the youth, channel their energy into music and other cultural activities. With the money gained from their work with Jackson, they help settle places of education in the favelas. It was in Salvador Do Bahia.

Respectfuly

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Honeybee's avatar

I won't be. Despite the Globalists moving with all speed toward their goals, I suspect, even living until my 90s (since I'm 74), that I won't see that scenario. Unless I see far more people wake up and smell the coffee (as we say in America), I see this outcome for people: life in their 15-minute cities. They will be harvested animals. Their minds will be legally forced to couple with drugs and AI. They will have no free will.

The only recourse I see now is relocating to any conservative area within my country. The analysis has to be carefully done. I think what we call "states" (the U.S. is comprised of 50 states like New York or California) can easily go WEF-leftist even if now they purport to support sovereign human rights and protections. I'm looking locally for people who have been conservative for decades and espouse those values. The real protection in America will be local county (states are comprised of counties) sheriffs who either enforce or do not enforce WHO edicts.

I was happy to hear that the extras in the Brazil version appear to have benefited greatly.

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Bugey libre's avatar

I wish you will live to experiment the resistance your soul is craving for, that you will find good strong balanced people with whom to share humanity.

I wish that in your 90', when you will leave that very strange place we are trying to live in, you will be proud of your own courage and the beauty of many you met.

Meanwhile, I hope you will keep a good sens of humour and some 74 wisdom.

Take care elder brother

Respect

Lionel

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Bugey libre's avatar

"... but in another scenario"

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Ziggy's avatar

The Ukraine War reminds me of the movie Cromwell 1970 where generals purposely lost battles, 1/2 ass war, there was corruption in the leadership, betrayals, lies, patriots killed while the leadership got drunk. So what is going on in Russia is nothing new. Prigozhin seems to be taking the role of Cromwell and Shoigu is like the Earl of Manchester. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6xGlAZjVs

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roloiscia's avatar

My 5D friend says that rolo is cia... I asked him if he thought prigozhin was cia too and he had a meltdown.

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The Causal Observer's avatar

The dam was probably blown by an AFU commander who really did not want to make the amphibious assault across the Dnieper in Kherson....

lol

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Geowatcher's avatar

Critics of this site would say that this pro-West psy-op site pretending to care about Russia and criticizing the Kremlin for corruption and not doing enough to help Russians while actually undermining Russia, but I’ve always appreciated genuine dissent and points of view and gave it the benefit of the doubt.

But this post gives ammo to the critics: really, Rolo thinks that Russia has slightly more reason to bomb the dam?? Kiev hates the south of Ukraine who are of Russian ethnicities even if many don’t want to be part of Russia. Nearly all the consequences are felt by civilians who are either on Russian claimed territories or in areas of southern Ukraine that are historically Russian speaking. Indeed what’s been going on is that Kiev has been throwing many ethnic Russian conscripts as fodder vs Russia and essentially depopulating ethnic Russians. The alacrity in which western media blamed Russia is all a well coordinated effort which any geopolitical observer would recognize.

I am more convinced that Rolo is almost certainly part of a Western info op than a genuine dissenter.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

First you should try to prove that the Kremlin gives a damn about anyone except its own inner circle.

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Ziggy's avatar

These people like Geowatcher needs to see Cromwell 1970. The English Civil War is an example how a leadership runs a 1/2 ass war by drunks, corrupt thieves, and traitors. The Russian leadership is just like Lord Manchester.

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Honeybee's avatar

Likewise, one would have to prove that the "Elité" care a fig for any common mortal. Didn't 9/11 teach anything? Those were real people jumping from skyscrapers.

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Bugey libre's avatar

What you write is not stupid but what do we do with the Russian Erik Prince claims?...

I personnaly, at the present moment, don't think that Russia did blow the dam but it would be a loss if I considered Rolo as a psy-op at the present moment. Like you, I like thining differently at some point. Things are very complex and it doesn't seem like every thing are fine and clear in Moscow and that Putin is surrounding by uncorruptible white knights.

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Bugey libre's avatar

Sorry for the mispellings

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Mark's avatar

Agreed.

I'm sure that there is more going on than meets the eye. And I also believe that Russia (or the high ranking officials) are no saints. And that they follow the wishes of the elites. I'm inclined to believe this.

However, Russia blew up this dam? Really? In my opinion the reason why Ukraine started the offense was because of the pressure of the west. They wanted to see some results of their investments. So, Ukraine started the offense and it terribly failed. That's why they blew up the dam, to distract attention from their failure and to convince the world: "Look how evil Russia is", please help us with more ammo, money, sympathy, etc.

Rolo did the same with an article from a few days ago. He said that:

"...Let me ask you a simple question: was Kiev being bombed 6 months ago? One year ago? The answer: yes.

And now a follow-up question: was Moscow being bombed 6 months ago? One year ago? The answer: no.

So, clearly, if we look at the development of the hostilities, we see that things are worse now for Russia than they were a year ago...."

There is another difference Rolo missed here: Ukraine gets more support in lethal ammo, intelligence, etc. than a year ago. NATO is "bolder" than a year ago.

Yep, PsyOp.

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Peculier's avatar

So, are you just going to completely disregard the military strategy aspect of blowing up the dam? Of course the western media is going to blame Russia, that's an absolute given. But, flooding a river to stop an enemy attack is a classic move, there is clear motive for Russia.

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The seventh collumn's avatar

Putin never hide his disdain for russian lives. Just look at his reaction to the Kursk sub disaster right at the beggining of his reign.

I don't understand why now the people are surprised by his indiference.

Next will be some kind of disaster at the zaporizhia nuclear plant.

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Stephen J. Kennedy's avatar

One proposed reason for Ukraine to destroy the dam is to move men from Kherson to Zaporizhzhia, without concern for an attack in Kherson. I believe Russia could simply have opened the gates if they wanted a flood. Whatever ...

You are losing objectivity if you think the only reason Ukraine would launch an attack was that it made sense, and they were ready. The United States makes these decisions and they are based on many factors other than what makes military sense for Ukraine.

I recommend you leave off the 'see I was right' shit. People who do that are invariably rather selective in pointing out what they said in the past. And tend to ignore the fact that plenty of people said the same thing ... ever look at the 'Military Summary Channel'?

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The seventh collumn's avatar

I'm almost sure it was ukraine, simply because putin doesn't move his ass, he is totallly paralized long ago.

Remember that Stalin was criticized for being quiet in the first week of operation barbarossa, and now i don't see anyone complaining about putin being quiet for a year.

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Sim1776's avatar

While not necessarily delivering your usual truth bombs, Rolo, this was a solid analysis. You make a good case for each side having reasons for demolishing the dam. My money is on Washington as this maximizes the misery for all parties except the neocons. NAFO wins when Russia destabilizes and then the balkanization can begin. Serbia/Kosovo is how the globalists want conflicts. Simmering, low intensity conflicts that prevent any region from unifying against the hydra. How much of Siberia will China get for playing their part?

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Honeybee's avatar

You're correct. Marxism's destruction of identity but on a continent with multiple nations.

And yes. The Hydra moves principally through Washington. They are one and the same.

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Bilbo'sBitch's avatar

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/soros-predicts-ukrainian-victory-counterattack-says-russia-paper-tiger

You comment on this SOROS plan for Zelensky winning the war, its almost as if Zelensky is now taking orders from Soros

Why does Putin play this psycho game?

PUTIN could easily detroy the Ukraine Kiev infrastructure tit4tat, instead he lets them destroy everything that Russia built;

All going to end up like Germany, Italy, and Ukraine economically destroyed for decades;

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Deplorable Commisar's avatar

- From the roof of the Dnepropetrovsk synagogue, Happy Merchants are already openly singing that Ukraine is their land. "Independent" Ukraine -

https://www-youtube-com.translate.goog/watch?v=uWUzPXMUAFg&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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John Duckitt's avatar

I'm sorry to say this Rolo, but Tucker Carlson nailed this one and you missed badly. One just has to apply the Cui Bono test - in all situations it's the Ukies who benefit - and the loss of reliable water supply to the Crimea is in the longer run a massive hit. The only possible situation in which Russia might do this is if it were faced with a major Ukrainian breakthrough onto the east bank and imminent loss of military control of the reservoir to the Ukies, which was clearly not the case at all. (And if they had wanted to flood the east bank, they could have just opened the sluice gates, deliberately or "accidentally").

It also wasn't nice seeing your post being used by western sources to support the "Russia did it narrative" -- Sure like the Kerch bridge and the Nordstrom gas pipeline!!! Come on - wake up man!

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

>Tucker Carlson

Did the aliens tell him that?

As for Nordstream, the Americans are prime suspects, not the Ukrainians. The same holds true now.

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John Duckitt's avatar

No, you've missed the point completely. It's not who dunnit (of course the US did Nordstrom, and Kerch bridge could also have been NATO op), its who did NOT do it. And its completely obvious Russia did not do the dam - for Gods sake, even in the situation where Russia was facing imminent loss of control of dam and big successful Ukie landings across Dnieper, where Russia might have done it, I very much doubt Putin would have had the balls to authorize it. Come on, you got it wrong, when even the Duran got it right. Best is to front up and accept you got it badly wrong this time. Your reporting on the corruption, incompetence, and even possible treachery in the Kremlin and Russian elite have been very valuable, BUT don't let yourself get locked into a kind of tunnel vision where you make mistakes as obvious as this, and if you do, its best to front up to them straight away.

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The seventh collumn's avatar

It's obvious that the ukrainians are the culprits.

The kremlin has been paralized, with no initiative, since the Kiev retreat.

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Brunswickian's avatar

Heads up everyone:

Ed Dowd says the system is about to blow!

https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1666484343018254337

Remember everything that’s about to happen lies at the feet of central bankers and politicians. Every other narrative is a distraction. It’s beyond everyone’s control.

https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1666535979002531850

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RegretLeft's avatar

Who I call the DC neocons are a world away from this blog community, but they have established some credibility as straight-shooters (preferring that more vague colloquialism to "honest brokers"):

"ISW has not yet observed clear evidence of what transpired at the KHPP on June 6 and is therefore unable to offer an independent assessment of responsibility at the time of this publication."

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-6-2023

(I haven't entirely given up on Kateryna Stepanenko having a change of heart and coming over to our side, tho I'm sure it would be a huge hit to her cash flow.)

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