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what's is also interesting with this war is it reveal, as usual, we have imagined...the war before.

In 1914, French troops acted like if it was 1870 again

In 1939, French troops (better equiped than whermacht) acted like if it was 1915.

So, a lot of people, me including, thought this war would be 1991 or 2003 again : aircraft rule, quick victory, enormous amout of deads. (because of news fantastic weapons, bla bla).

And what we saw : a week of 1940, 6 months of 1915, and a september like 1870. But no crypto-war, not massive bombing, not supernewswunder weapons.

Let's be honest : we, people at home very interested by this war, have no clue what happen, what's behind the doors of chancelleries.

We just hope for a win.

(at least, we, russian good side, are more cautious with news than evil ukrophiles, which seems litterally eating every single shit their MSM deliver to them)

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With the help of a map of the Kherson region, it's easier to visualize what I think happened there, as I have not read yet any clarifying report from either side https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/15october2022_Ukraine_Odessa_KryvyiRih_Map.jpg

The old Russia line extended, in what is now represented on the map as blue territory, from Blagodatovka-Davidov Brod northward to Arkangelsk, well covered behind the Ingulets river, then turned East among the fields all the way up to reaching the Dniepr at Osokorivka. I think at the beginning of October a mass Ukraine assault, sustained in time, infiltrated the Russian line defending these fields from Arkangelsk to Osokorivka.

The problem with this is that the other Russian line deployed on the East in front of the Ingulets, would now be in the danger of attacks on its right side by the infiltrated Ukrainian from the North. Thus they'd have river and Ukrainians on the West side, Ukrainians coming down on them on their North and East, and other Russian troops blocking them on the South side. This is called being taken by enfilade and it's a textbook infantry tactic to make an enemy retreat from a fortified line. The Russians could do the same if they take Bakhmut and roll down towards Donetsk.

This I think is why the Russians fell back to their current positions. It's not because it's shorter and more defensible, but they really were forced by events to abandon a sound defense line behind a river. After Kharkov, this was another game manoeuvre by the Ukrainians resulting in a tactical victory.

For the rest, nowadays the killing zone is so lethal, with precise indirect artillery fire guided by observational drones, night vision thermal equipment for snipers, mines and IED scattered everywhere, that you absolutely do not want to be there for any sustained amount of time, if you mildly wish to keep yourself whole.

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