[The OT and Zionism, Your God is Our God But He Has Chosen Us, Rupert Sheldrake and the Ethnic Oversoul, Bad Metaphysics, The Crimes of the Orthodox, Marcionite Reform, and MORE!]
Rolo, this was your finest podcast yet. There was a really good synergy between you and Mr. Guyenot.
Yahweh in a box was just too much. I laughed for a good minute.
I dont think the gnostics had the complete truth either. There must be a balance between the spiritual and physical. We cannot be silent or passive and just let the dark occultists and Yahweh's Chosen dominate the world and drag it further into darkness. It's no better than the Protestant a*holes who support Israel to bring about their Apocalypse sooner. A vibrant religion that reflects the people of a Nation is essential to combat the Noahide oppression.
This was spectacular. Incredible how much ground you covered.
I know exactly what you mean about Christians being incredibly hard to talk to about perspectives on the divine that don't line up with their own interpretation of doctrinal orthodoxy. The poison of the Old Testament runs deep indeed.
Here's a video by an esoterically inclined rabbi showing how St. Paul's mystical experience related to Hebrew Merkabah mysticism and the Jewish temple.
Here's a black with Esoteric Thoughts, who interviews interesting people (including Ralph Ellis whose historical revisionism yields a Jesus a generation younger than the conventional one, who was King of Edessa, wore a golden 'crown of thorns' and was instrumental in starting the Jewish Revolt.)
For the really adventurous, willing to explore the origins of the Greek mystery religions, their connections to Scythia and Crimea, Medea and the sophisticated use of poisons and antidotes in Greco-Roman medical and mystical practice, there's Dr. Hillman's Lady Babylon site:
This site is not recommended for conventional Christians reluctant to answer Hillman's question as to what Jesus was doing with a naked boy when he was arrested before dawn in a public park. Explorers will also need strong stomachs to tolerate the irrelevant pro-Ukrainian propaganda and the Dionysiac Rout of intelligent and well informed degenerate Bacchants found there, but he does reveal interesting information buried in the now neglected ancient Greek texts.
More talks with people like Guyenot, and fewer long dirges would be most welcome.
Finest podcast yet, indeed! Laurent's maps regarding the psychopath supremacist cult are the best I've seen. Being able to listen in on your conversation was proof that we live in special time, where our best can connect and make sense of the ways the occult/secret war against Our Peoples/Nations explains what's happened on the world stage. Seeing the awareness spreading lifts my spirits. It appears that the immune system of the host has become aware of the parasite. A last, perhaps a critical mass of the immune system. (We've had scattered immune responses for centuries, but they were largely suppressed before now.)
Regarding Orthodox Christianity and "The Credo", my experience is every Orthodox Liturgy includes the congregation reciting the Nicene Creed aloud. This is in addition to it being included in the morning prayers, and the evening prayers. At least that's the case with the branch I participate in.
I judge the "everyone says it aloud in front of everyone else when we are in worship together" serves the purpose of a group loyalty/solidarity test, designed, in part, to be a "poison pill" for nonbelievers. So you men can come and see the beautiful art in Orthodox churches without saying the creed, but if you want to join the church, saying the creed (repeatedly) is a requirement (from what I've seen).
Guyenot had in mind Serbian "slava." The slava is a family's annual ceremony and veneration of their patron saint. It is a tribute to the family's first ancestor who was baptized into Christianity, with its presiding saint. The family's patron saint is passed down from father to son.
If you cannot bring yourself to be Christian because you cannot believe that Jesus was born from a Virgin... then it means you don't really know what you are talking about.
I pity the Frenchman for being born into what essentially has been a spitefully atheistic society for 150 years by now. True Christianity lingers in the air in places where everyone is part of the Community of the Faithful. You can basically trust everyone around you, and it's a whole other level of quality of life.
For the rest, many deep incursions in tin foil territory as well.
I am disappointed because I have read 10k-words articles of this frenchman on unz more than once. He used as pseudonym "first millennium revisionist" for a series of articles. I thought these to be interesting if a bit inconsistent, but now hearing him I understand it's the usual malaise-ridden slop that comes from that nation.
The Gnostic Problem as Guyenot indicates is accepting that Yahweh/Ialdaboath created the earth and humanity but knowing that he was an evil creator. Hence we're fucked, doomed to live on a prison planet. I understand why Rolo feels the jailers are ascendant. They have temporarily assumed control, but not that it was inevitable and not that their god created us.
Rolo you seem like someone who would really enjoy Anthroposophy!
The quick rundown of Anthroposophy is that humanity was in a materialisation process prior to Christ, and moved into a spiritualisation phase post-Christ at Golgotha.
This is why you see the Jews in the old testament completely misinterpret the scriptures and break covenants and lead a completely inverted existence today. There are some great teachings preserved in the Epistle of Barnabus in 80-120AD which really puts this into perspective:
----"Now, in that Moses said, "Ye shall not eat swine, nor an eagle, nor a hawk, nor a crow, nor any fish which has no scales on itself," he included three doctrines in his understanding. Moreover he says to them in Deuteronomy, "And I will make a covenant of my ordinances with this people."
So then the ordinance of God is not abstinence from eating, but Moses spoke in the spirit. He mentioned the swine for this reason: you shall not consort, he means, with men who are like swine, that is to say, when they have plenty they forget the Lord, but when they are in want they recognise the Lord, just as the swine when it eats does not know its master, but when it is hungry it cries out, and after receiving food is again silent.
"Neither shalt thou eat the eagle nor the hawk nor the kite nor the crow." Thou shalt not, he means, join thyself or make thyself like to such men, as do not know how to gain their food by their labour and sweat, but plunder other people's property in their iniquity, and lay wait for it, though they seem to walk in innocence, and look around to see whom they may plunder in their covetousness, just as these birds alone provide no food for themselves, but sit idle, and seek how they may devour the flesh of others, and become pestilent in their iniquity.
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons; for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for according to the number of years it lives has just so many orifices.
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He, become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by year, and becometh at one time male and at another female."----
Something which really helped me regarding the JQ is that in Anthroposphy, there is an understanding that profaning the Mysteries always leads to its shadow, which in this case is a total inversion of the spirituality invested in the Old Testament. Profaning the Mysteries happens when you read or act upon a spiritual text with a material mindset. World Jewry has at its core rejected the Mystery of Golgotha and can only move forward in a materialising manner, and they become darker and darker and sink lower into something called the sub-natural realms within themselves. As they move lower they lose contact with the spirit and develop intense mental energy - their faculties of intellect are empowered. The inversion is so strong they don't even believe in an external spiritual Messiah anymore - Zion is now to come at the hands of the Jews themselves. The rejection of the Messiah and what he brought puts the blinkers on their soul and spirit. They can only move downwards into the body. It shouldn't be any mystery (and it isn't for Anthroposophists) why Jewry and satanists pursue trans-humanism in such a manner. The densification will occur in everything they know - their body and mind. Both of which are linked to the mineral kingdom, and that is where they will find their Messiah - the anti-Christ. The science of Anthroposophy is so insightful here because the above understanding of profanation leads to the natural conclusion of a physical incarnation of a sub-natural being known as Ahriman (Satan basically) and when he comes he will either find humanity prepared for his arrival as the Anthroposophists are striving for, or he will catch humanity unaware and put forth subnatural knowledge which to a materialist looks like the gifts of a Messiah.
When you read a book in Anthroposophy like "How to Know Higher Worlds" you learn how to grow spiritually and put aside the sense-world and allow the higher worlds to shine through.
There's actually great passage in that book which shows us why Gnosis can be such a hard thing to achieve (especially for those with large intellect), because the sense-world is like the sun and higher worlds are like the stars. When the sun is out it is hard to see the stars, but they are nevertheless there all the while. Only once the sun is away can the subtlety of the higher worlds be noticed. I think you'd really enjoy "How to Know Higher Worlds". Anthroposphy also has a lot of teachings about folk souls, racial souls, national souls and karma etc. Concepts which arise naturally and are treated in a respectful and spiritual way. I don't know if an approach where you try to cleave yourself to Orthodoxy is going to work without a fundamental belief in the mystical fact of Christs life, you might just end up inverting it lmao.
There's an entire archive here: rsarchive.org (Rudolf Steiner archive) - filled with spiritual science. There are some interesting prophecies born out of spiritual science regarding the Slavic peoples if you feel like searching them up.
I liked your podcast today, and really enjoyed the mentioning of Sheldrake, who was clearly enamoured with Goethe as much as Rudolf Steiner was.
Thank you both for sharing and please forgive my formatting :)
Always late to the party, but I really enjoyed this interview. So many points of my own thinking coming together as well. I have long considered the story of Joseph to be a "how we did it" type of story, in that, thanks to the reading of dreams, Joseph was rewarded with control of the national treasury. How well that lines up with Reagan's astrologers, and the ascent of the neocons.
Rolo, this was your finest podcast yet. There was a really good synergy between you and Mr. Guyenot.
Yahweh in a box was just too much. I laughed for a good minute.
I dont think the gnostics had the complete truth either. There must be a balance between the spiritual and physical. We cannot be silent or passive and just let the dark occultists and Yahweh's Chosen dominate the world and drag it further into darkness. It's no better than the Protestant a*holes who support Israel to bring about their Apocalypse sooner. A vibrant religion that reflects the people of a Nation is essential to combat the Noahide oppression.
This was spectacular. Incredible how much ground you covered.
I know exactly what you mean about Christians being incredibly hard to talk to about perspectives on the divine that don't line up with their own interpretation of doctrinal orthodoxy. The poison of the Old Testament runs deep indeed.
I love this conversation. I feel like I'm finally a part of something. I'd love to hear more!
That was an excellent talk, thank you Rolo.
Here's a site about reconnecting with ancestral traditional ways and beliefs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCGXAyjzxto
There is a lot of modern scholarship about the origins of Christianity and it's relation to the literature and culture of the time.
Here's a list of discussions with Dr. Dennis Macdonald and others like Dr. Litwa and Russell Gmirkin
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr.+dennis+r.+macdonald+
Here's a video by an esoterically inclined rabbi showing how St. Paul's mystical experience related to Hebrew Merkabah mysticism and the Jewish temple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC6xCyFJ1Ro
There are several sites which discuss these things in a scholarly way.
Here's, for instance, Dr. Litwa's site: https://www.youtube.com/@m.davidlitwa
More things they might not tell you in Church:
https://www.youtube.com/@GnosticInformant
And more: https://www.youtube.com/@MythVisionPodcast
Here's a black with Esoteric Thoughts, who interviews interesting people (including Ralph Ellis whose historical revisionism yields a Jesus a generation younger than the conventional one, who was King of Edessa, wore a golden 'crown of thorns' and was instrumental in starting the Jewish Revolt.)
https://www.youtube.com/@EsotericThoughtsTruths
For the really adventurous, willing to explore the origins of the Greek mystery religions, their connections to Scythia and Crimea, Medea and the sophisticated use of poisons and antidotes in Greco-Roman medical and mystical practice, there's Dr. Hillman's Lady Babylon site:
https://www.youtube.com/@ladybabylon666
This site is not recommended for conventional Christians reluctant to answer Hillman's question as to what Jesus was doing with a naked boy when he was arrested before dawn in a public park. Explorers will also need strong stomachs to tolerate the irrelevant pro-Ukrainian propaganda and the Dionysiac Rout of intelligent and well informed degenerate Bacchants found there, but he does reveal interesting information buried in the now neglected ancient Greek texts.
More talks with people like Guyenot, and fewer long dirges would be most welcome.
Finest podcast yet, indeed! Laurent's maps regarding the psychopath supremacist cult are the best I've seen. Being able to listen in on your conversation was proof that we live in special time, where our best can connect and make sense of the ways the occult/secret war against Our Peoples/Nations explains what's happened on the world stage. Seeing the awareness spreading lifts my spirits. It appears that the immune system of the host has become aware of the parasite. A last, perhaps a critical mass of the immune system. (We've had scattered immune responses for centuries, but they were largely suppressed before now.)
Regarding Orthodox Christianity and "The Credo", my experience is every Orthodox Liturgy includes the congregation reciting the Nicene Creed aloud. This is in addition to it being included in the morning prayers, and the evening prayers. At least that's the case with the branch I participate in.
I judge the "everyone says it aloud in front of everyone else when we are in worship together" serves the purpose of a group loyalty/solidarity test, designed, in part, to be a "poison pill" for nonbelievers. So you men can come and see the beautiful art in Orthodox churches without saying the creed, but if you want to join the church, saying the creed (repeatedly) is a requirement (from what I've seen).
Guyenot had in mind Serbian "slava." The slava is a family's annual ceremony and veneration of their patron saint. It is a tribute to the family's first ancestor who was baptized into Christianity, with its presiding saint. The family's patron saint is passed down from father to son.
Wonderful series of discussions. Part 3 inspired me to post this ...
• Our Subverted History - The Germanic Peoples - by Asha Logos
https://juliusskoolafish.substack.com/p/our-subverted-history-the-germanic
If you cannot bring yourself to be Christian because you cannot believe that Jesus was born from a Virgin... then it means you don't really know what you are talking about.
I pity the Frenchman for being born into what essentially has been a spitefully atheistic society for 150 years by now. True Christianity lingers in the air in places where everyone is part of the Community of the Faithful. You can basically trust everyone around you, and it's a whole other level of quality of life.
For the rest, many deep incursions in tin foil territory as well.
I am disappointed because I have read 10k-words articles of this frenchman on unz more than once. He used as pseudonym "first millennium revisionist" for a series of articles. I thought these to be interesting if a bit inconsistent, but now hearing him I understand it's the usual malaise-ridden slop that comes from that nation.
Would you please explain what aspects of his statements you disagree with.
Sad to read that you were unable to sort the wheat from the chaff. Cultivate discernment!
Wow...what a talk! You covered a lot of ground but I wanted y’all to keep talking!!
The Gnostic Problem as Guyenot indicates is accepting that Yahweh/Ialdaboath created the earth and humanity but knowing that he was an evil creator. Hence we're fucked, doomed to live on a prison planet. I understand why Rolo feels the jailers are ascendant. They have temporarily assumed control, but not that it was inevitable and not that their god created us.
John Lash has much to say about this modern mistaken vision in Not in His Image and on videos like this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYYQo89Z2MU
Thanks for the lead, I'll give the linked video a look.
Rolo,
Can you post a link about the Russian expedition against mount Athos?
What expedition?
Rolo you seem like someone who would really enjoy Anthroposophy!
The quick rundown of Anthroposophy is that humanity was in a materialisation process prior to Christ, and moved into a spiritualisation phase post-Christ at Golgotha.
This is why you see the Jews in the old testament completely misinterpret the scriptures and break covenants and lead a completely inverted existence today. There are some great teachings preserved in the Epistle of Barnabus in 80-120AD which really puts this into perspective:
----"Now, in that Moses said, "Ye shall not eat swine, nor an eagle, nor a hawk, nor a crow, nor any fish which has no scales on itself," he included three doctrines in his understanding. Moreover he says to them in Deuteronomy, "And I will make a covenant of my ordinances with this people."
So then the ordinance of God is not abstinence from eating, but Moses spoke in the spirit. He mentioned the swine for this reason: you shall not consort, he means, with men who are like swine, that is to say, when they have plenty they forget the Lord, but when they are in want they recognise the Lord, just as the swine when it eats does not know its master, but when it is hungry it cries out, and after receiving food is again silent.
"Neither shalt thou eat the eagle nor the hawk nor the kite nor the crow." Thou shalt not, he means, join thyself or make thyself like to such men, as do not know how to gain their food by their labour and sweat, but plunder other people's property in their iniquity, and lay wait for it, though they seem to walk in innocence, and look around to see whom they may plunder in their covetousness, just as these birds alone provide no food for themselves, but sit idle, and seek how they may devour the flesh of others, and become pestilent in their iniquity.
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons; for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for according to the number of years it lives has just so many orifices.
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He, become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by year, and becometh at one time male and at another female."----
Something which really helped me regarding the JQ is that in Anthroposphy, there is an understanding that profaning the Mysteries always leads to its shadow, which in this case is a total inversion of the spirituality invested in the Old Testament. Profaning the Mysteries happens when you read or act upon a spiritual text with a material mindset. World Jewry has at its core rejected the Mystery of Golgotha and can only move forward in a materialising manner, and they become darker and darker and sink lower into something called the sub-natural realms within themselves. As they move lower they lose contact with the spirit and develop intense mental energy - their faculties of intellect are empowered. The inversion is so strong they don't even believe in an external spiritual Messiah anymore - Zion is now to come at the hands of the Jews themselves. The rejection of the Messiah and what he brought puts the blinkers on their soul and spirit. They can only move downwards into the body. It shouldn't be any mystery (and it isn't for Anthroposophists) why Jewry and satanists pursue trans-humanism in such a manner. The densification will occur in everything they know - their body and mind. Both of which are linked to the mineral kingdom, and that is where they will find their Messiah - the anti-Christ. The science of Anthroposophy is so insightful here because the above understanding of profanation leads to the natural conclusion of a physical incarnation of a sub-natural being known as Ahriman (Satan basically) and when he comes he will either find humanity prepared for his arrival as the Anthroposophists are striving for, or he will catch humanity unaware and put forth subnatural knowledge which to a materialist looks like the gifts of a Messiah.
When you read a book in Anthroposophy like "How to Know Higher Worlds" you learn how to grow spiritually and put aside the sense-world and allow the higher worlds to shine through.
There's actually great passage in that book which shows us why Gnosis can be such a hard thing to achieve (especially for those with large intellect), because the sense-world is like the sun and higher worlds are like the stars. When the sun is out it is hard to see the stars, but they are nevertheless there all the while. Only once the sun is away can the subtlety of the higher worlds be noticed. I think you'd really enjoy "How to Know Higher Worlds". Anthroposphy also has a lot of teachings about folk souls, racial souls, national souls and karma etc. Concepts which arise naturally and are treated in a respectful and spiritual way. I don't know if an approach where you try to cleave yourself to Orthodoxy is going to work without a fundamental belief in the mystical fact of Christs life, you might just end up inverting it lmao.
There's an entire archive here: rsarchive.org (Rudolf Steiner archive) - filled with spiritual science. There are some interesting prophecies born out of spiritual science regarding the Slavic peoples if you feel like searching them up.
I liked your podcast today, and really enjoyed the mentioning of Sheldrake, who was clearly enamoured with Goethe as much as Rudolf Steiner was.
Thank you both for sharing and please forgive my formatting :)
Yeah actually I just recorded a podcast which featured steiner quite heavily. Stay tuned.
I don't like the materials by him because they are too difficult to understand.
What does steiner teach about racial soul? What are his slavic prophecies?
These are the best discussions on Substack!! Again, my sincere thanks for sharing. Wonderful talk!
Always late to the party, but I really enjoyed this interview. So many points of my own thinking coming together as well. I have long considered the story of Joseph to be a "how we did it" type of story, in that, thanks to the reading of dreams, Joseph was rewarded with control of the national treasury. How well that lines up with Reagan's astrologers, and the ascent of the neocons.
Contrairement à ce qu'indique M. Guyenot, la liturgie de Saint-Jean Chrysostome prévoit bien une récitation du Credo (Orthodoxe, donc sans Filioque) : https://youtu.be/OLQFDnW-Tpk?t=3138
https://youtu.be/R2X2idnnnIA?t=541
Judaism was created at the septuagint, the neocons plagiarized hellenic mythology and political philosophy. Yahweh = Zeus