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this is really very good. how it's all about making people powerless, but the way you put it is excellent. lots to go over in your talk. hippies could be studied historically, how they started out (happily violent and soundly racist) and what that movement morphed into. Orthodox, whether russian or otherwise, were never bible people, russians love miracles, that's their faith, serbs are even more clueless except as national identity, many don't even know 'the trinity'. they all love icons, but they don't understand icons either. russians understand them magically, greeks don't understand them at all. the core of what 3-4th Orthodoxy became, ie, deification, is not understood. which is why when covid came around, they all including the priests, fled from icons and fled from the eucharist. they all believe more in germs than in Christ. very few Orthodox read bible because Orthodoxy is not about scripture, and the church organization makes sure it's kept that way. if an Orthodox reads a lot of scripture, they are viewed suspiciously.
Please DON'T(!)- as an aside, quite funny, methinks, but a survey a few years ago in an Israeli paper taken of Israelis, on their ratings of their "respect" (something to that effect!) of other faith-groups in the world; results were Kristling Zionuts, especially the Hagee variety, were rated even LOWER than Muslims, dead bottom. Love the irony in that....
Thanks Rolo, good listening to you, plenty of food for thought there. This old hippy is looking forward to reading your decommunised paragraphs if the book materialises.
This is grand, a solo and very honest discussion, Skywalker, Thank you...You andI I have so much in common that I think I might have sneaked into your mom's bedroom on a drunken night (!). JK, no insult intended, of course. Only halfway through this, but it is priority on the 'morrow. But, even as a "Gen X" "hippie kid" turned extreme REALIST in my teens (yeah, you fucker, you *DO* have the "marked out generation" among yer Stalkers!), I relate to a helluva lot of the familial conflict, as my family (without the politeness inherent in Slavlanders) are not shy at ALL about their feelings, both left and right. Even the youngsters, today, they aren't on "good terms". Extreme on all things-intense on all things. But the wildest colts become the best mustangs, ya know (?). I digress, as always...and I, personally, like your long intros, don't fret that shit; everything of substance needs a backstory that leads to the point, aye? Love yer Work, Skywalker, bucket of ice water with my morning coffee is a real wake-up! Thank you, Son ; - )
I agree with your analysis in general. As for the chosen ones their control of the narrative is definitely slipping. I always assumed that would be good for the world and the West , having the parasite off our backs but do we really know what the alternative looks like? I the control of capital moves from London and New York , where will it go? What will the repercussions be for the West , if it goes to Islam ? I imagine it will not be very pleasant for culturally Christian countries. Meaning those of us who like to eat pig , drink alcohol , have our women uncovered , party and like to be able to sleep through the early hours of the morning without that painful mournful wailing that is broadcast so loudly and widely in the Muslim lands . I had to live through that when I lived in central Jakarta in the nineties , especially when you have a massive hang-over it is super annoying. Most Westerners who claim they are not Christians do not realise that they are Christians culturally . A few months or even weeks living in a Muslim land will wake them up to the fact that they are.
Rolo , please answer the following question ( via the podcast or an article), it is THE question that concerns all Russians like myself, living in small towns, where we have no liberals and and everybody here hates Tajiks and disaporas and other "brotherly people". The question is stupid yet all so called analysts never raise in the way we do. If all the Tajiks that have flooded Russia and being given passports have on average 6 chidlren who are now Russians citizens with the same rights as I am, but are no taking part in SMO, building their business and growing connections in the state structures , graduating from Law Enforemenct Academies, and Russians on average have one child and the population is decreasing a millon a year, while ethnic Russians on BOTH sides are dying in Ukraine for pots apocalyptic looking Post Soveit villages, what is the point? Russia has lost anyway, with or without taking Kiev or Brusssels or Washington. In 40 years Russians will be a miniorty in Russia, like Buryats or something. Of 140 million that Russia has, I am sure at best 70 million are Russians and the rest are Azeris, Armenians , you name it. We have less people than Germany and Belgium yet have the largest territory. Whatever these degenerates say about checkmating NATO and Satan and Russians loving to die (As Soloviev- Shapiro monster infamously said) Russia as we know has already been replaced. It is dead, all this talk about the great renewal the convulsions of the dead , which shoud have been buried after Stambul. All other questions (Feeding children in Africa, helping South America, bulding USSR 2.0) for us in Russia are secondary.
if you want me to confirm that you and i are being conned by the kremlin and kiev, then yeah, i confirm it. they should be sending their precious Rossiyans to the trenches not Russians. patriots should demand that muslims be sent to the frontlines of donbass. will they be allowed to? some duma deputies are saying this. it would be popular, but i think the FSB, which is heavily chechen now, would clamp down on this eventually.
the only way to save russia is to disband the secret police.
but then i could say that about literally all white countries.
the better question is: how do we do this?
well, first, we have to explain what they are, what they do and convince others to support disbanding them. in america, we have people demanding the disbanding of the FBI now. ofc this wont be enough on its own, but it is a good first step. we have to be able to name the mechanism by which the boot is kept on our necks - the secret police, funded by the global oligarchy.
*ALL* the Intel agencies, throughout the world, work together...They *are* the effective governing bodies, period. Xi, Putin, 'Ol Joe, they are all rolled out to impress the peasants with mighty statements about how badass their country is. Duma's, Congresses, Politburoro's, don't matter. These people control the levers, the gates, "regulators",all public discourse and direction; and have *all* the keys. And they annihilate any upstart that finally figures them out: Ortega, Saddam, Milosevic, Saddam 2.0, Khadafi , of course the ever roaming menace, the ghost of bin Laden (an intel asset all along)...your fav-hate, the FSB, same- same as the Murkin version, and gods forbid, let us not forget the TOP of the echelons, mossad and MI6(!)- (and forget the bumbling and useless front guys, the CIA ; the NSA are THE intel power of Murkuh)...the world isn't quite yet ruled by AI, but it is run by an interconnected, borderless network of inter-operative intelligence agencies. Been that way since at least the destruction of NS Germany, probably in i'ts beginnings at that time. These fuckers are able to almost catch and analyze every damn breath you take and process it through those monsterous acres of Cray servers in Utah-before you ever even think it. So, yes, I do believe that cutting the grid off and going to a Monastic means of survival, Amish-style, is about the only hope for a veneer of civilization to emerge from the ruins to start all over; painting Elk and Buffalo on cave walls with Ochre and charcoal. The Spoken Word, passed down through the years, before some goddamn Ethnic Book-Keeper shows up to repo the caves because of scribed and baked tablets! A Spoken Word has a Life of i'ts own...and so does an AXE!
The law of private property is no longer valid in the west.
Read 'The Great Taking' by David Rogers Webb !
Now wait for The Protected Class to cash in with the help of Depository Trust and Clearing Company. The marked of derivatives is rigged to crash. Very very few of the chosen will profit. Look out for the New York banks. Prepare to starve.
I'm a Christian, of recent vintage. I have read the whole thing, and the various questionable texts a couple times the last four years. I don't disagree with your general categories with one exception- there is a strong pre-Nicaean strain in Protestantism. This was certainly true in Russia, and I imagine you must be familiar with it. My first exposure was in Ivan Denisovich, with the character Alyosha. However it is represented as "Baptist" (called Anabaptist in Europe) in Dostoyevsky and otherwise.
I always try to figure out the root of someone's philosophy, and I'd assess you as a "primitivist". I don't think you really buy Gnosticism, simply for the fact that it has the same problems as Niceanism- the foundational texts are recent, and the rest is oral tradition. Certainly newer than the Septuagint. But primitivism is the ultimate conservatism- it means go back as far as you can while still maintaining the essence (platonic trigger warning) of the philosophy.
I think this is the problem with primitivism (and I would consider myself to be a primitivist Christian), there is always a starting point, by convention. That starting point must have some defined characteristic/orthodoxy. Or there is no way you can say if someone is a true Scotsman.
This starting point is always ALWAYS arbitrary or an article of faith. So American conservatism has a foundational text (the constitution) and a hadith/midrash (amendments and court precedents). Communism has the manifesto and the corpus of Trotsky/Lenin/Stalin/Mao sayings. Pre-communist would be the Orthodoxy (calendar/saint days) and the various church/monarchy interpretations like the Philokalia. No one polite talks about the wrestling match that was the Constitutional Convention between the Federalists/anti-Federalists or the state intervention in the various Christian Councils.
Pre-Nicaean Christianity has no position on Arianism for instance. In fact there are famous correspondences where elders or whatever they were called expressly said "you do you". The Credic Christianity (i.e. shoehorning an eastern religion into Platonism) basically said ambiguity is not allowed.
So yeah, I would say I pick a corpus (predominantly the Nicaean version) and that is the foundational text. I would expect from someone who is a skeptic that the Corpus Hermeticum has exactly the same provenance issues, and so does every other philosophy/religion. But you can't live a metaphysical life without some basic grounding point.
Robert Lewis Dabney, Presbyterian minister and Chief of Staff to Stonewall Jackson during the American War Between the States, had this to say (circa 1890s) about "conservatism" in America:
“It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.”
The solo podcasts are the best, i wish Rolo would do them every week, just take a topic and go on tangents.
this is really very good. how it's all about making people powerless, but the way you put it is excellent. lots to go over in your talk. hippies could be studied historically, how they started out (happily violent and soundly racist) and what that movement morphed into. Orthodox, whether russian or otherwise, were never bible people, russians love miracles, that's their faith, serbs are even more clueless except as national identity, many don't even know 'the trinity'. they all love icons, but they don't understand icons either. russians understand them magically, greeks don't understand them at all. the core of what 3-4th Orthodoxy became, ie, deification, is not understood. which is why when covid came around, they all including the priests, fled from icons and fled from the eucharist. they all believe more in germs than in Christ. very few Orthodox read bible because Orthodoxy is not about scripture, and the church organization makes sure it's kept that way. if an Orthodox reads a lot of scripture, they are viewed suspiciously.
if you want to read the bible, go be a protestant lol
Please DON'T(!)- as an aside, quite funny, methinks, but a survey a few years ago in an Israeli paper taken of Israelis, on their ratings of their "respect" (something to that effect!) of other faith-groups in the world; results were Kristling Zionuts, especially the Hagee variety, were rated even LOWER than Muslims, dead bottom. Love the irony in that....
Thanks Rolo, good listening to you, plenty of food for thought there. This old hippy is looking forward to reading your decommunised paragraphs if the book materialises.
Nice to hear from Rolo again
This is grand, a solo and very honest discussion, Skywalker, Thank you...You andI I have so much in common that I think I might have sneaked into your mom's bedroom on a drunken night (!). JK, no insult intended, of course. Only halfway through this, but it is priority on the 'morrow. But, even as a "Gen X" "hippie kid" turned extreme REALIST in my teens (yeah, you fucker, you *DO* have the "marked out generation" among yer Stalkers!), I relate to a helluva lot of the familial conflict, as my family (without the politeness inherent in Slavlanders) are not shy at ALL about their feelings, both left and right. Even the youngsters, today, they aren't on "good terms". Extreme on all things-intense on all things. But the wildest colts become the best mustangs, ya know (?). I digress, as always...and I, personally, like your long intros, don't fret that shit; everything of substance needs a backstory that leads to the point, aye? Love yer Work, Skywalker, bucket of ice water with my morning coffee is a real wake-up! Thank you, Son ; - )
I agree with your analysis in general. As for the chosen ones their control of the narrative is definitely slipping. I always assumed that would be good for the world and the West , having the parasite off our backs but do we really know what the alternative looks like? I the control of capital moves from London and New York , where will it go? What will the repercussions be for the West , if it goes to Islam ? I imagine it will not be very pleasant for culturally Christian countries. Meaning those of us who like to eat pig , drink alcohol , have our women uncovered , party and like to be able to sleep through the early hours of the morning without that painful mournful wailing that is broadcast so loudly and widely in the Muslim lands . I had to live through that when I lived in central Jakarta in the nineties , especially when you have a massive hang-over it is super annoying. Most Westerners who claim they are not Christians do not realise that they are Christians culturally . A few months or even weeks living in a Muslim land will wake them up to the fact that they are.
Rolo , please answer the following question ( via the podcast or an article), it is THE question that concerns all Russians like myself, living in small towns, where we have no liberals and and everybody here hates Tajiks and disaporas and other "brotherly people". The question is stupid yet all so called analysts never raise in the way we do. If all the Tajiks that have flooded Russia and being given passports have on average 6 chidlren who are now Russians citizens with the same rights as I am, but are no taking part in SMO, building their business and growing connections in the state structures , graduating from Law Enforemenct Academies, and Russians on average have one child and the population is decreasing a millon a year, while ethnic Russians on BOTH sides are dying in Ukraine for pots apocalyptic looking Post Soveit villages, what is the point? Russia has lost anyway, with or without taking Kiev or Brusssels or Washington. In 40 years Russians will be a miniorty in Russia, like Buryats or something. Of 140 million that Russia has, I am sure at best 70 million are Russians and the rest are Azeris, Armenians , you name it. We have less people than Germany and Belgium yet have the largest territory. Whatever these degenerates say about checkmating NATO and Satan and Russians loving to die (As Soloviev- Shapiro monster infamously said) Russia as we know has already been replaced. It is dead, all this talk about the great renewal the convulsions of the dead , which shoud have been buried after Stambul. All other questions (Feeding children in Africa, helping South America, bulding USSR 2.0) for us in Russia are secondary.
>what is the point?
if you want me to confirm that you and i are being conned by the kremlin and kiev, then yeah, i confirm it. they should be sending their precious Rossiyans to the trenches not Russians. patriots should demand that muslims be sent to the frontlines of donbass. will they be allowed to? some duma deputies are saying this. it would be popular, but i think the FSB, which is heavily chechen now, would clamp down on this eventually.
the only way to save russia is to disband the secret police.
but then i could say that about literally all white countries.
the better question is: how do we do this?
well, first, we have to explain what they are, what they do and convince others to support disbanding them. in america, we have people demanding the disbanding of the FBI now. ofc this wont be enough on its own, but it is a good first step. we have to be able to name the mechanism by which the boot is kept on our necks - the secret police, funded by the global oligarchy.
*ALL* the Intel agencies, throughout the world, work together...They *are* the effective governing bodies, period. Xi, Putin, 'Ol Joe, they are all rolled out to impress the peasants with mighty statements about how badass their country is. Duma's, Congresses, Politburoro's, don't matter. These people control the levers, the gates, "regulators",all public discourse and direction; and have *all* the keys. And they annihilate any upstart that finally figures them out: Ortega, Saddam, Milosevic, Saddam 2.0, Khadafi , of course the ever roaming menace, the ghost of bin Laden (an intel asset all along)...your fav-hate, the FSB, same- same as the Murkin version, and gods forbid, let us not forget the TOP of the echelons, mossad and MI6(!)- (and forget the bumbling and useless front guys, the CIA ; the NSA are THE intel power of Murkuh)...the world isn't quite yet ruled by AI, but it is run by an interconnected, borderless network of inter-operative intelligence agencies. Been that way since at least the destruction of NS Germany, probably in i'ts beginnings at that time. These fuckers are able to almost catch and analyze every damn breath you take and process it through those monsterous acres of Cray servers in Utah-before you ever even think it. So, yes, I do believe that cutting the grid off and going to a Monastic means of survival, Amish-style, is about the only hope for a veneer of civilization to emerge from the ruins to start all over; painting Elk and Buffalo on cave walls with Ochre and charcoal. The Spoken Word, passed down through the years, before some goddamn Ethnic Book-Keeper shows up to repo the caves because of scribed and baked tablets! A Spoken Word has a Life of i'ts own...and so does an AXE!
The law of private property is no longer valid in the west.
Read 'The Great Taking' by David Rogers Webb !
Now wait for The Protected Class to cash in with the help of Depository Trust and Clearing Company. The marked of derivatives is rigged to crash. Very very few of the chosen will profit. Look out for the New York banks. Prepare to starve.
I'm a Christian, of recent vintage. I have read the whole thing, and the various questionable texts a couple times the last four years. I don't disagree with your general categories with one exception- there is a strong pre-Nicaean strain in Protestantism. This was certainly true in Russia, and I imagine you must be familiar with it. My first exposure was in Ivan Denisovich, with the character Alyosha. However it is represented as "Baptist" (called Anabaptist in Europe) in Dostoyevsky and otherwise.
I always try to figure out the root of someone's philosophy, and I'd assess you as a "primitivist". I don't think you really buy Gnosticism, simply for the fact that it has the same problems as Niceanism- the foundational texts are recent, and the rest is oral tradition. Certainly newer than the Septuagint. But primitivism is the ultimate conservatism- it means go back as far as you can while still maintaining the essence (platonic trigger warning) of the philosophy.
I think this is the problem with primitivism (and I would consider myself to be a primitivist Christian), there is always a starting point, by convention. That starting point must have some defined characteristic/orthodoxy. Or there is no way you can say if someone is a true Scotsman.
This starting point is always ALWAYS arbitrary or an article of faith. So American conservatism has a foundational text (the constitution) and a hadith/midrash (amendments and court precedents). Communism has the manifesto and the corpus of Trotsky/Lenin/Stalin/Mao sayings. Pre-communist would be the Orthodoxy (calendar/saint days) and the various church/monarchy interpretations like the Philokalia. No one polite talks about the wrestling match that was the Constitutional Convention between the Federalists/anti-Federalists or the state intervention in the various Christian Councils.
Pre-Nicaean Christianity has no position on Arianism for instance. In fact there are famous correspondences where elders or whatever they were called expressly said "you do you". The Credic Christianity (i.e. shoehorning an eastern religion into Platonism) basically said ambiguity is not allowed.
So yeah, I would say I pick a corpus (predominantly the Nicaean version) and that is the foundational text. I would expect from someone who is a skeptic that the Corpus Hermeticum has exactly the same provenance issues, and so does every other philosophy/religion. But you can't live a metaphysical life without some basic grounding point.
Thank you Rolo, you really are the best.
Robert Lewis Dabney, Presbyterian minister and Chief of Staff to Stonewall Jackson during the American War Between the States, had this to say (circa 1890s) about "conservatism" in America:
“It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.”