Looks like you got another boomer influx Rollo.Now we just gotta wait for them to peter out over the next 5 posts or so as you start talking about strength again lol.
Interesting thoughts. Unfortunately I lack the expertise to understand many of the points made, let alone have an opinion on them. I agree, though, that the "denazification and demilitarization" is drivel of the same sort as the USan "war on terror". Putin has not been telling the truth. But I do not know if politicians are there to tell the truth.
One think I can say about Belarus: it is not a self-sufficient economy. It is vastly, enormously subsidized by Russia. Luka laughs at Putin whilst extending a hand to take the money this gives him.
While I agree nationalism is the future, I disagree on ideology. Liberalism is an ideology and all it does is consolidate power. To argue against ideology sound reminiscent of blaming religion for lack of “progress”. In fact the constant Russian babble of truth being on our side doesn’t seem to be doing anything. While Ukraine is doing great, thanks to their delusions, their nationalism is going to lead no where good. Americans lost their nationalism overnight to liberalism.
The article relies heavily on the premise that nuke weapons could be unleashed by a desperate Putin or a reckless Biden leading to unimaginable world horror. Most likely most people fear this possible consequence to modern science/technology gone too far. I used to worry about the Bomb. Not so much now. I've come to entertain that nukes are a remnant of Cold War fakery. Nuclear arsenals are so much window dressing w/o any real inventory. Masks used to scare everybody not in on the game.
Am I 100% sure of this? No, I'm still in the stage of checking it out. I adopt a trepidatious stance until the evidence reaches critical mass. It was that way w/ the Holocaust and then the moon landings. Those were tough nuts to crack. But it was really more a matter of internal courage to allow myself to go there and explore a heretical opinion.
So, think about it: why, since 1945, hasn't any terrorist group or rouge nation ever set one off? It begs the similar question: why haven't we gone back to the moon? For specific examples we might consider why not the South African military when they were going under because of Western sanctions? Why not N Korea even as a show of force?
You get you propaganda from the Military evirew and then feed it on.?? > What garbage. the USA military can't get anything right except land a cruise missile into thePentagon . So No thanks
Charles, it is just a matter of fact that the current Ukrainian leadership is heavily Jewish. There may or may not be a connection between ethnicity and there politics, but it would be another question. I'm just trying to clarify for you what Rolo means when he points out to this fact.
It is hard for us in the USA to understand a war fought on the other side of the globe, especially when both sides censor the news. I am curious why you identify the leaders of Ukraine as "the Jews". Can you explain?
"The Pale of Settlement was a designated region of the Russian Empire where Jews were forced to live; they could not live beyond its borders such as in the capital of Moscow. Several cities within the Pale of Settlement even refused to allow Jews to live there, leading to some Jewish cities being formed, including Bialystok, Wilna, Grodno, and Plock. It encompassed Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Moldova, Ukraine, Lithuania, parts of western Russia, and the Crimea. After the fall of the Russian Empire in 1917, the Pale of Settlement ceased to exist, and many of the Jews that experienced pogroms under both the Russian Empire and Soviet Union decided to leave Eastern Europe during the rest of the 20th century, going to either the United States or Israel."
I never heard of the Pale of Settlement and this article doesn't enlighten me. If everyone supporting Ukraine hates Jews, well, that's fine with me: I was just hoping to learn something.
The Pale of Settlement ceased to exist 105 years ago. Certainly, no one can hold a grudge that long. That's like saying the descendants of Hagar hate the descendants of Sarah because of a misunderstanding of scripture dating back nearly 4,000 years. We all know that humans aren't that petty and nasty. Don't we?
Well, because they are? It is well known fact that both current (Zelensky) and former (Poroshenko) leadership of Ukraine as well as major financial supporters (Kholomoisky) are Jewish. Jews providing leadership and finance and Ukrainian nationalist (AKA 'Nazis') supplying the military muscle/ cannon fodder are rather 'unlikely bed fellows', but they are united by the common hatred for Russians and working towards the same goals. In the unlikely (hopefully) event that such goals are achieved, not sure how they plan on dividing spoils without further conflict.
First of all, let me assure you I am not Jewish and I am not a Zionist. I would note that the gangster Mayer Lansky was Jewish and so was Albert Einstein. I do not see any connection between Zelensky's race and his politics. I see a direct connection between the Biden Crime Family and the most corrupt government in Europe. Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin were black. Does that mean all blacks are violent racist cannibals?
Stay in your position Alenushka and watch the $US dollar collapse along with it's violent andy sick emplore and watch the emergence of a new reserve ciurrency supported by 90% of the world and 70% of the world's reslources
The reason people in USA don't understand the war is rthat your brains are filled with junk if you watch TV or read newspapers. This is and was a deliberate NATO and Atlantic Cpuncil provocation to War.
In my naivete, I have often thought that what I long fancied were Western "statesmen" would have, circa 1991, recognized the anomaly that was "Ukraine" and dealt with it in a constructive manner - starting with Khrushchev's making Crimea in 1956 a part of Ukraine for reasons that by 1991 belonged to time long past. Surely, I went on, they should have seen that as productive of instability and conflict in the not too distant future. Now I know we don't live in that kind of world and Russia, I suppose, at the time was in no position to insist upon things of that nature. So here we are in a huge dangerous mess. Ukraine, for one, will be literally that for probably a century (in a best case scenario) -- some tracts of farmland in France that were in front line WWI combat zones couldn't be worked for 70 years before the junk of war - shells and equipment deeply buried - was cleared away.
Frederick Kagan ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Kagan] Frederick and Robert Kagan, who is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, and their father, Donald, were all signatories to the Project for the New American Century manifesto, Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000));
I can see valid reasons for disliking Kimberly Kagan, but one of them is not her race. I've never understood why Jews have historically been singled out for hatred and destruction. Thirty percent of Nobel Prize winners in science are Jewish, and major Hollywood studios, like Paramount Pictures and Universal Studios, are also run or owned by Jews. In virtually every industry successful Jews are disproportionally represented.
People often "joke" about searching for Jewish lawyers or Jewish doctors. I am not suggesting that there are genetic reasons that a Jewish lawyer might be preferable to a black lawyer; but it seems almost a part of Christianity that Jews must be despised simply because they are Jews. In the case of communism, American Jews were frequently assumed to be supporters of Russia - and often they were.
Charles, Western people rarely understand it, but there has been a long history of animosity between Jews and Slavs in the Slavland. Not unfounded as you think, and always mutual. Solzhenitsin wrote extensively on this topic.
I understand your points. I also am uncomfortable with the potential results of these analyses. But there does seem, at least in the USA, a suspicious correspondence between Russia haters and those you are discussing. There probably are historical reasons for why these mutually antagonistic perspectives arose. As practical observers, we can acknowledge their existence. It may be helpful to try and understand how these perspectives arose; it is less helpful to pretend that either has no justification in fact.
The problem with so called Russian patriots is that they hate Jews much more than they love their country. Neocons are Jews. Right! Keep living in your fantasy world until the real powers destroy your country.
Did you catch Elena Panina's excellent 'time is catastrophically short' op-ed at Russtrat a week ago? The key quote is "the announcement of full mobilization in Russia is equal to a revolution" and she goes on to argue along similar lines that mobilizing the country will inevitable mean moving to a new economic model which will break to old 'deal' VVP made with the oligarchs (key resources and industries will need to be nationalized).
IMO the time for compromise is over. Russia needs and will get a war leader and will be fully mobilized, the only question is whether Vladimirovich starts the revolution or is buried under it. Both are possible of course.
Looks like you got another boomer influx Rollo.Now we just gotta wait for them to peter out over the next 5 posts or so as you start talking about strength again lol.
Interesting thoughts. Unfortunately I lack the expertise to understand many of the points made, let alone have an opinion on them. I agree, though, that the "denazification and demilitarization" is drivel of the same sort as the USan "war on terror". Putin has not been telling the truth. But I do not know if politicians are there to tell the truth.
One think I can say about Belarus: it is not a self-sufficient economy. It is vastly, enormously subsidized by Russia. Luka laughs at Putin whilst extending a hand to take the money this gives him.
While I agree nationalism is the future, I disagree on ideology. Liberalism is an ideology and all it does is consolidate power. To argue against ideology sound reminiscent of blaming religion for lack of “progress”. In fact the constant Russian babble of truth being on our side doesn’t seem to be doing anything. While Ukraine is doing great, thanks to their delusions, their nationalism is going to lead no where good. Americans lost their nationalism overnight to liberalism.
I highly recommend that everyone read this excellent analysis of the situation from the WSWS. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/09/19/pers-s19.html?pk_campaign=newsletter&pk_kwd=wsws
The article relies heavily on the premise that nuke weapons could be unleashed by a desperate Putin or a reckless Biden leading to unimaginable world horror. Most likely most people fear this possible consequence to modern science/technology gone too far. I used to worry about the Bomb. Not so much now. I've come to entertain that nukes are a remnant of Cold War fakery. Nuclear arsenals are so much window dressing w/o any real inventory. Masks used to scare everybody not in on the game.
Am I 100% sure of this? No, I'm still in the stage of checking it out. I adopt a trepidatious stance until the evidence reaches critical mass. It was that way w/ the Holocaust and then the moon landings. Those were tough nuts to crack. But it was really more a matter of internal courage to allow myself to go there and explore a heretical opinion.
So, think about it: why, since 1945, hasn't any terrorist group or rouge nation ever set one off? It begs the similar question: why haven't we gone back to the moon? For specific examples we might consider why not the South African military when they were going under because of Western sanctions? Why not N Korea even as a show of force?
Something worth researching imho...
You get you propaganda from the Military evirew and then feed it on.?? > What garbage. the USA military can't get anything right except land a cruise missile into thePentagon . So No thanks
Charles, it is just a matter of fact that the current Ukrainian leadership is heavily Jewish. There may or may not be a connection between ethnicity and there politics, but it would be another question. I'm just trying to clarify for you what Rolo means when he points out to this fact.
Zion is on both sides and as Netanyu said. >> " America can blow away oin the dust "
It is hard for us in the USA to understand a war fought on the other side of the globe, especially when both sides censor the news. I am curious why you identify the leaders of Ukraine as "the Jews". Can you explain?
Where should he start? - You know about the Pale of Settlement?
I'd argue that it goes back to the Khazars.
"The Pale of Settlement was a designated region of the Russian Empire where Jews were forced to live; they could not live beyond its borders such as in the capital of Moscow. Several cities within the Pale of Settlement even refused to allow Jews to live there, leading to some Jewish cities being formed, including Bialystok, Wilna, Grodno, and Plock. It encompassed Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Moldova, Ukraine, Lithuania, parts of western Russia, and the Crimea. After the fall of the Russian Empire in 1917, the Pale of Settlement ceased to exist, and many of the Jews that experienced pogroms under both the Russian Empire and Soviet Union decided to leave Eastern Europe during the rest of the 20th century, going to either the United States or Israel."
I never heard of the Pale of Settlement and this article doesn't enlighten me. If everyone supporting Ukraine hates Jews, well, that's fine with me: I was just hoping to learn something.
The Pale of Settlement ceased to exist 105 years ago. Certainly, no one can hold a grudge that long. That's like saying the descendants of Hagar hate the descendants of Sarah because of a misunderstanding of scripture dating back nearly 4,000 years. We all know that humans aren't that petty and nasty. Don't we?
> humans
We're talking about demons in human guise.
Well, because they are? It is well known fact that both current (Zelensky) and former (Poroshenko) leadership of Ukraine as well as major financial supporters (Kholomoisky) are Jewish. Jews providing leadership and finance and Ukrainian nationalist (AKA 'Nazis') supplying the military muscle/ cannon fodder are rather 'unlikely bed fellows', but they are united by the common hatred for Russians and working towards the same goals. In the unlikely (hopefully) event that such goals are achieved, not sure how they plan on dividing spoils without further conflict.
First of all, let me assure you I am not Jewish and I am not a Zionist. I would note that the gangster Mayer Lansky was Jewish and so was Albert Einstein. I do not see any connection between Zelensky's race and his politics. I see a direct connection between the Biden Crime Family and the most corrupt government in Europe. Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin were black. Does that mean all blacks are violent racist cannibals?
Should I write an article pointing out what the blacks did to the Whites of Africa? It involves a lot of violent, racist, cannibalism.
Assuming you are an American, surely you are aware of what blacks in America are doing to all other races?
Allegedly, Zelensky is/was a puppet of the Ukrainian/Israeli oligarch Kolomoisky; he is now allegedly a puppet of the USA neo-Cons.
I don't know if the fact that he is Jewish has anything to do with this.
But allegedly there seems to be a disturbing correspondence among those you mention and those seeking the destruction of Russia.
Is this due to a seeking of revenge for pogroms and persecutions from the long past?
Arguable, I suppose.
Definitely arguable. Like I said, its a long, rather negative relationship where both parties share some blame.
Stay in your position Alenushka and watch the $US dollar collapse along with it's violent andy sick emplore and watch the emergence of a new reserve ciurrency supported by 90% of the world and 70% of the world's reslources
The reason people in USA don't understand the war is rthat your brains are filled with junk if you watch TV or read newspapers. This is and was a deliberate NATO and Atlantic Cpuncil provocation to War.
In my naivete, I have often thought that what I long fancied were Western "statesmen" would have, circa 1991, recognized the anomaly that was "Ukraine" and dealt with it in a constructive manner - starting with Khrushchev's making Crimea in 1956 a part of Ukraine for reasons that by 1991 belonged to time long past. Surely, I went on, they should have seen that as productive of instability and conflict in the not too distant future. Now I know we don't live in that kind of world and Russia, I suppose, at the time was in no position to insist upon things of that nature. So here we are in a huge dangerous mess. Ukraine, for one, will be literally that for probably a century (in a best case scenario) -- some tracts of farmland in France that were in front line WWI combat zones couldn't be worked for 70 years before the junk of war - shells and equipment deeply buried - was cleared away.
The short answer? I suggest the Kagans.
kaganshome.com
https://kaganshome.com
Doesn't seem helpful
Sorry, Charles.
My fault for being too brief.
To wit, the Kagans:
Robert Kagan ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan], who is married to Vicky Nuland [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland] who ran the Maidan situation for the USA in 2014);
Frederick Kagan ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Kagan] Frederick and Robert Kagan, who is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, and their father, Donald, were all signatories to the Project for the New American Century manifesto, Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000));
Kimberly Kagan, Frederick's wife, ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Kagan] heads the Institute for the Study of War [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_the_Study_of_War]).
Please excuse the use of Wikipedia - it's just so much quicker.
Of course, it can't be relied upon, but it is a good place to start.
To not put too fine a point on it, the Kagans and their associates HATE Russia with a passion, and they long for its destruction.
I can see valid reasons for disliking Kimberly Kagan, but one of them is not her race. I've never understood why Jews have historically been singled out for hatred and destruction. Thirty percent of Nobel Prize winners in science are Jewish, and major Hollywood studios, like Paramount Pictures and Universal Studios, are also run or owned by Jews. In virtually every industry successful Jews are disproportionally represented.
People often "joke" about searching for Jewish lawyers or Jewish doctors. I am not suggesting that there are genetic reasons that a Jewish lawyer might be preferable to a black lawyer; but it seems almost a part of Christianity that Jews must be despised simply because they are Jews. In the case of communism, American Jews were frequently assumed to be supporters of Russia - and often they were.
If I were kicked out of 109 bars (and counting), would you believe the problem was with 109 different bar establishments or me?
Charles, Western people rarely understand it, but there has been a long history of animosity between Jews and Slavs in the Slavland. Not unfounded as you think, and always mutual. Solzhenitsin wrote extensively on this topic.
Wasn't aware of this. I'm reading The Gulag Archipelago right now!
I understand your points. I also am uncomfortable with the potential results of these analyses. But there does seem, at least in the USA, a suspicious correspondence between Russia haters and those you are discussing. There probably are historical reasons for why these mutually antagonistic perspectives arose. As practical observers, we can acknowledge their existence. It may be helpful to try and understand how these perspectives arose; it is less helpful to pretend that either has no justification in fact.
The problem with so called Russian patriots is that they hate Jews much more than they love their country. Neocons are Jews. Right! Keep living in your fantasy world until the real powers destroy your country.
Excellent as always Rolo.
Did you catch Elena Panina's excellent 'time is catastrophically short' op-ed at Russtrat a week ago? The key quote is "the announcement of full mobilization in Russia is equal to a revolution" and she goes on to argue along similar lines that mobilizing the country will inevitable mean moving to a new economic model which will break to old 'deal' VVP made with the oligarchs (key resources and industries will need to be nationalized).
IMO the time for compromise is over. Russia needs and will get a war leader and will be fully mobilized, the only question is whether Vladimirovich starts the revolution or is buried under it. Both are possible of course.
https/russtrat.ru/scenarii/12-sentyabrya-2022-2038-11172