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samoan62's avatar

I'd be more worried if there was news about "strategic withdrawals" or other news similar to what happened in Kherson. If they aren't giving up their positions, I'm just going to assume that Russia believes they do have the manpower to hold the line.

It also feels like this "last hurrah" offensive against Russia is directed at the Western audience who's very apathetic to the war at this point and is becoming more resentful of it. There are also deep US political forces that want to switch the focus to China and Taiwan (CSIS published a paper advocating for this), so this latest Ukrainian offensive could be that crowd of the deep state asserting that they still want to keep this Ukraine thing going a bit more.

I guess we'll just have to wait and find out what the hell is going on.

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I don't see any variant where Russia retreats and Putin keeps whatever power he currently has. Retreat in the South/South West and Ukraine in striking distance of Crimea. Give up Bakhmut, Soldar, Lichansk and Sever Donetsk? If Vladlen Tartarskys murder really was associated with controlling the info to Putin than perhaps bringing about such a retreat is exactly what the liberals are trying to do? Lose the war and get rid of Putin? Because that is a straight defeat we are talking about. There is literally nowhere left to retreat that allows the somewhat patriotic crook faction to survive politically. Retreat means the liberals have won.

If the Putinist for lack of a better term give up Bakhmut, Soldar etc you are going to have the spectacle of the police busting the heads of protesting SMO verterans including Wagner guys. Prigozhin despite his flaws has always kept ranks with his own guys when they are expressing righteous anger. I assume the Putinist signing off on surrendering their very, very hard won gains in the East isnt something he is going to let pass with expressing serious fury and he wont counter signal his men flipping out about it. Prigozhin will back the guys who skulls the police will need to crack. Any shred of tolerance the Patriots give the Putinist will be gone for good. They will be utterly alone and isolated.

Surrendering the South and presumably the land corridor to crimea wouldnt entail confrontation with Prigozhin directly and I imagine the Putinist will try and spin holding crimea itself as the great victory that denazifis Ukraine. Of course that is only if Russia only loses the land corridor and what they have right now in Kherson. But even that best case of holding Crimea itself and spinning it as winning the war also entails losing all of Patriotic Russias tolerance for the Putinist.

The only difference between the 2 retreat scenarios I see is the 1st might create outright revolutionary instability fast and the second will just be a basic political death sentence for the Putinist. Either way Putins crew loses everything, its just a bit slower with option 2. Maybe Im going way too far with the tinfoil here but I cant help but feel like Vladlens murder was to help make retreat and the following political death of Putin more likely. That's because Vladlen would have been on channel 1 saying exactly what Im saying here and that might give the Putinist pause about signing off on another successful regrouping.

Smells more and more like 1917.

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