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Dr Livci's avatar

Well said, sums up the view of the Russian Patriot crowd succinctly. Pretty much all their major and minor figures are saying "yeah we are just trying not to do 1917 again". This is from the whole eclectic spectrum from Neo-monarchists to neo-nazis to nazibols. There is definitely an implicit anxiety that if the war isn't actually won that there will be collapse. The current Oligarchy will destroy the state eventually, and the only way to defang the Oligarchy is to keep the war going. I can't remember now who said it but one dude I follow said something along the lines of "this may be the most blatant example of an Army thats at war with both an external enemy and its own ruling class". The only other example that comes close is maybe South Africas army in the twilight years of apartheid. Many armies have been stabbed in the back but the Russians right now are just be systematically sabotaged with a consistentcy that has no parallel due to the sheer scale. I mean is it not much an exaggeration to say that the Russian military is being outright martyred?

I was listening to some neo Soviet boomer economist interview and he brought up a point that sounds plausible enough and affirms your thesis about the Kremlin version of victory being a frozen conflict. According to the boomer the current crop of Oligarchs are actually the most paranoid towards young and up and coming liberals specifically because thats who they know Zog wants to replace them with. This does explain why Moscow did move so quickly to shut down and drive out the liberal opposition. And than nothing. The current Oligarchs know damn well they were installed by zog to begin with, and they know Zog is pretty displeased with them for not doing even more to sabotage the not war.

Winning the war outright requires changes that they dont want to mess with, outright surrender means Zogs new young liberals will replace them. The longer the war goes on the more variables are introduced that they have to deal with. The more they are seen sabotaging the angrier the public mood becomes. But sabotage is exactly how they keep their incomes flowing. So they cant stop, but they also cant hide it. They need a settlement now, but they also cant surrender outright because Zog has new generation to replace them with. The same people Moscow let flee.

Originally I thought the Oligarchy would be in favour of unconditional surrender more or less but the boomers theory also is pretty plausible. Its seriously Trotskys we aren't surrendering outright but we also arent going to fight approach to WW1 redux. Of course that didn't work out for Trotsky and his British handlers and I suspect it wont work for the Oligarchs.

But yeah the whole idea is end the war quick so our crimes arent under such a micro scope and patriotic outrage isnt directed at us constantly. All it will take is one figure head for things to spin out of control. Prigozhin is already making veiled threats. But also no victory, if Russia wins than to many variables will be introduced into the body politic. Maybe there will be a national soul searching, maybe Prigozhin will ride in as Putins successor if his name is associated with victory, no we cant have that. Maybe a more fleshed out Russian identity will emerge, something concrete. This has to be avoided. But we also cant capitalute 100% on the US's terms because they will insist the liberals be let back in. If the liberals come back they will be out for our blood just as much as the patriots. We will have no friends at all.

So strong agree that Moscow's goal is frozen, no victory, no outright surrender, and the sooner the better. Now how tangible that is is very questionable. Its actually ridiculously unlikely as long as ZOG smells blood, and as long as Moscow is fighting a flaccid cucks not war they will smell blood. Its pretty much possible only in Moscows alternate reality.

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WirbelAether's avatar

The big question is, how to implement such reforms, without the chosenites crying and yelling "antisemitism" for six million years to come?

The last people who did that, are demonized by the Kremlin as well.

All these oligarch elements are jewish, there I said it, and the entire "denazification" of Ukraine narrative would have to change as well, as it consolidates precisely this traitorous power.

I can't think of a more stupid idea, than to storm into Ukraine with Hammer and sickle red flags, and seriously expect applause. You can't get a better motivation as enemy.

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