Right now, patriotic Russian civil society is having a full-on meltdown. Channels are being deleted, people demanding the overthrow of the government, etc etc. Some of them may even get swooped on by the FSB for their momentary emotional lapse. Can’t be making mistakes like that when the stakes are so high, folks. Oh well, better they remove themselves from the political arena rather than continue to plague us with their bad analyses and counter-productive whining.
The global cabal urgently needs the perception in the West that the Ukrainians are winning the war, because there is strengthening popular anti-NATO and anti-Ukraine war and sanctions sentiment in various European countries, with people very sensibly asking why their countries' economies and living standards should be sabotaged for the utterly corrupt pretend-democratic failed State dictatorship which is Ukraine.
In addition, in Washington DC, with the GOP being allowed by the uniparty to marginally win the House via the massively rigged US midterm elections, there is going to be increased resistance to the US sending endless more billions to the crooks running Ukraine.
Thus, the globalist puppet Putin has been ordered to retreat from Kherson, so that the mass media can pump out the message that 'Ukraine in winning', and thereby keep the billions flowing into Ukraine - and out again into the offshore secret bank accounts of Ukrainian and Western politicians and oligarchs.
The very fact that the gang of globalist puppets running Russia would, after saying that the newly-absorbed territories are 'irreversibly' incorporated into Russia, then say that everything is for negotiation with no preconditions - thereby presumably indicating a willingness to reverse the incorporation of the new territories into Russia, says everything you need to know about Putin & Co., and who they really work for.
If the global cabal and their puppets in Washington DC are already arranging a peace deal behind the scenes, with the retreat from Kherson being a required first step towards that, the thing that puzzles me is: could Putin survive reversing the acquisition of those new territories into Russia as part of a peace deal?
But if that was not part of the deal, then any peace deal 'surrendering' those territories permanently to Russia would be very hard to sell in the West.
The US has already achieved one of its key objectives with the long-planned 'Ukraine War' - which was to force Europe to switch to buying US gas at three times the price of Russian gas. There is no way that the US / global cabal is going to allow that to be reversed. Thus, there is no way that the US will allow its puppet governments in Europe to end the sanctions against Russian gas.
So - if Putin cannot reverse the 'irreversible and permanent' incorporation of the new territories in Ukraine into Russia, and the US / global cabal will not surrender their very lucrative switching of Europe to be dependent on ludicrously expensive US gas, then I can't see that there's much left on the table for negotiations, anyway.
And what is more, the global cabal absolutely needs the Ukraine war to continue: like the fake 'Covid crisis' and fake 'Covid vaccines', it is obscenely profitable for the oligarch billionaires and their bought and paid for politicians - and is also essential as the supposed reason why energy prices will continue to be very high for ever, so as to trash the Western economies and install the Great Reset.
Everything that Russia has done with the Ukraine invasion, and everything that it is doing now, makes perfect sense, once you realize that Putin and his entire government are slavishly globalist, openly endlessly praising the nascent World Government represented by the WHO, slavishly doing the 'Covid crisis' and 'Covid vaccines' scams exactly in the same way, and saying exactly the same things at each different stage, as all Western governments did.
That is the litmus test: forget about what governments say: look at what they actually do. Putin & Co. are no different in their loyalties than the globalist puppet governments of Germany, the UK , Grance, Italy etc.
The Russian people are totally betrayed - as are the peoples of the West, and far beyond: the Ukraine war was planned years ago, to provide the excuse to drive energy prices through the roof - an absolutely essential operation for the global cabal, in preparation for the Great Reset.
Abandoning Kherson makes military sense but the hysterical reaction from much of the patriotic social media sphere is totally understandable and they have legitimate questions.
When the USSR was forced to retreat all the way to Moscow due to a mixture of incompetence and being genuinely outmatched by NS Germany in terms of military leadership nobody doubted that at least Stalin really, really wanted to win. Stalin made some huge mistakes but he was at least trying to do something to correct the awful situation at the front. He wasn't always making the correct calls but nobody was wondering if he was in fact in a secret alliance with Hitler to destroy the USSR.
The Soviet leaderships incompetence cost millions of lives, but spamming poorly trained conscripts to the front in a timely manner was in retrospect the correct decision. Stalin never told Zhukov or Rosskovskey to try and encircle German Army groups at 4or5 to 1 numerical disadvantage. Stalin didn't continue supplying NS Germany with resources after the start of hostilities.
On the other hand how can you blame Russian patriots for suspecting treason right now? If Zhukov and Rosskovskey had had the means to rain hell on NS Germanys critical infastructure would Stalin have said no? Would he have said no even after being forced to abandon Soviet cities? Im not trying to present an apologetic for Stalin but there can be absolutely no doubt something isnt right at all with Russia's current political/military leadership and that is what is terrifying the Russian Patriots.
"Putin is literally Charles Schwab in disguise" is retarded but we need to see Putin seriously start beating his ex wife instead of constantly swinging back and forth between saying truthful mean things about her during speeches and than simping for her. Get over the crush and just kill the bitch, millions of people all over the world are depending on him.
So sure from the strictly military PoV the shameful retreat is justified, but if it isnt accompanied by a corresponding escalation its all for nothing and the retreat will be permanent. Thats what is scary about this and I don't blame Russian patriots who are losing sleep over it.
“He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious” – Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Scott Ritter gives his view.
"General Surovokin took command of the SMO on October 16.
Two days later, he gave a press conference in which he described the situation on the ground in the Kherson region as “tense.”
On his orders, civilian authorities began evacuating non-combatant persons from the territory held by Russian forces on the west bank of the Dnieper River, including the city of Kherson proper.
One of the reasons cited to justify this action was a growing concern on the part of Russian officials that Ukraine was preparing to destroy a major dam on the Dnieper, north of Kherson, at the Nova Kakhovka hydroelectric power station.
If this dam were destroyed, a wall of water between 5 to 15 meters high would sweep down the river, washing away critical infrastructure, killing thousands, and trapping survivors—military and civilian alike—on the west bank.
An estimated 200,000 civilians and 30,000 Russian troops would be put at risk.
The evacuation of civilians from the west bank of the Dnieper River, when seen in this light, was a prudent humanitarian move in total compliance with the responsibilities assumed by a military commander under the law of war."
...
"Russian forces may very well have been able to sustain a presence on the west bank of the Dnieper, but at what cost?
The highly favorable casualty ratio that was produced in the October fighting would have evened out, or even been adjusted to favor the Ukrainians.
The fundamental question facing Russian leadership was this: what price was Russia willing to pay to hold on to the west bank of the Dnieper River?
No Russian leader was willing to sacrifice up to 3,000 troops to sustain a frontline which gave Ukraine all the advantages.
General Surovokin recommended the adjustment, and General Sergei Shoigu, the Russian Minister of Defense, agreed.
Russian mothers, wives, and children should applaud this decision, as should anyone who holds the life of a Russian soldier in high regard.
Moreover, on can never forget the threat posed by the potential destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam.
How could any responsible commander risk the lives of his troops under such a threat?
Imagine the outrage that would be expressed by these very same keyboard heroes when trying to square the deaths of thousands of Russian troops, and the potential capture of thousands more, in the aftermath of such a catastrophe?
Why didn’t the Russian commanders do something to prevent this, they would cry.
Maybe NATO is throwing Zelensky over the side and they just made a deal with Russia. Russia just put this badass guy in charge of the military and they’re not acting out of desperation.
So the retreat is a military necessity? A military choice forced onto politicians?
How is this a good thing?
All it says is that the military is facing an overwhelming force in places they’re not even able to repel. There is literally no other conclusion to be made.
I guess you’re trying to make the point the army was not fighting hard enough. It appears they’re pretty much saying they’re not able to without a endless stream of body bags. No military dominance to speak of. That’s the nail in the coffin of an already tragic awakening of a Russia that sees the consequences of the europization or more accurately jewification of the whole system post Soviet Union.
I’m not against the decision to retreat but it basically makes the political class look like absolute morons and saboteurs, although that has been made crystal clear with the various cuck moves we get at least once a month.
This is not your best post I'm afraid. All your criticisms of the Russian critics could be also directed at what you argue - e.g., you repeatedly say what is their "evidence". Well what is your evidence? This is not a question of "evidence", it's simply a matter of observing events and trying to draw reasonable inferences that can explain what is and has been happening. It seems to me their inferences are no less reasonable than yours. And I would add if the withdrawal from Kherson was necessitated by difficulty of supply due to Ukie attacks on the bridges making supply difficult, how would you explain the Russian failure (with hugely more powerful missiles) to attack the Ukie controlled bridges (and there are not that many - I understand about six that are really critical) across the Dnieper that are crucial to Ukraine keeping its hugely greater army in the East supplied. Why, after nearly nine months have they not been destroyed - it would be easily done with the missiles Russia has - and would make the Ukrainians military position in the east completely unsustainable? This is just one example among many I could cite - and it is also part of a long sequence of bizarrely strange decisions and events dating back to 2014. It is the totality of all these actions by the Russian political leadership that is leading many to conclude that it may not simply be incompetence, but something more than that.
To me personally, Putin's actions more and more remind me of Gorbachev. Like Putin, Gorbachev also was a highly intelligent and competent man, and he was not a deliberate traitor to his country (although that's what his actions resulted in). His problem seems to have been a massive blind spot. An admiration for the west, a desire to emulate and be part of it, and a deep and powerful desire to believe and accept everything western leaders were telling him (completely against the advice of everyone else in the Russian administration). Hence his disastrous decisions and policies that destroyed the USSR. Putin seems the same, and the only difference I can see from Gorbachev is that Putin has over the years managed to surround himself with others who share his blindness. And that makes it much worse.
MYSTERY: To either supply or retreat from west Kherson, the Russians should have many hundreds of small boats. This could easily be bought from China. I see no evidence of this. Why?
"This is quite an allegation to even hint at. It was only fringe nationalists who were alleging that the FSB was knocking off militia commanders in the Donbass who didn’t agree with Minsk I and II and who resisted connected mafia dons from Moscow coming in to squabble over Donbass’ resources back in the day."
Knocking off people like that is something an opposition secret service might do in order to stir up trouble among the loyal. The timing - on the very day of pullout - makes that conclusion especially alluring. Only way the frisbees did this is if they are penetrated by Ukrainians, British etc. In which case it isn't the FSB doing it anyway.
The global cabal urgently needs the perception in the West that the Ukrainians are winning the war, because there is strengthening popular anti-NATO and anti-Ukraine war and sanctions sentiment in various European countries, with people very sensibly asking why their countries' economies and living standards should be sabotaged for the utterly corrupt pretend-democratic failed State dictatorship which is Ukraine.
In addition, in Washington DC, with the GOP being allowed by the uniparty to marginally win the House via the massively rigged US midterm elections, there is going to be increased resistance to the US sending endless more billions to the crooks running Ukraine.
Thus, the globalist puppet Putin has been ordered to retreat from Kherson, so that the mass media can pump out the message that 'Ukraine in winning', and thereby keep the billions flowing into Ukraine - and out again into the offshore secret bank accounts of Ukrainian and Western politicians and oligarchs.
The very fact that the gang of globalist puppets running Russia would, after saying that the newly-absorbed territories are 'irreversibly' incorporated into Russia, then say that everything is for negotiation with no preconditions - thereby presumably indicating a willingness to reverse the incorporation of the new territories into Russia, says everything you need to know about Putin & Co., and who they really work for.
If the global cabal and their puppets in Washington DC are already arranging a peace deal behind the scenes, with the retreat from Kherson being a required first step towards that, the thing that puzzles me is: could Putin survive reversing the acquisition of those new territories into Russia as part of a peace deal?
But if that was not part of the deal, then any peace deal 'surrendering' those territories permanently to Russia would be very hard to sell in the West.
The US has already achieved one of its key objectives with the long-planned 'Ukraine War' - which was to force Europe to switch to buying US gas at three times the price of Russian gas. There is no way that the US / global cabal is going to allow that to be reversed. Thus, there is no way that the US will allow its puppet governments in Europe to end the sanctions against Russian gas.
So - if Putin cannot reverse the 'irreversible and permanent' incorporation of the new territories in Ukraine into Russia, and the US / global cabal will not surrender their very lucrative switching of Europe to be dependent on ludicrously expensive US gas, then I can't see that there's much left on the table for negotiations, anyway.
And what is more, the global cabal absolutely needs the Ukraine war to continue: like the fake 'Covid crisis' and fake 'Covid vaccines', it is obscenely profitable for the oligarch billionaires and their bought and paid for politicians - and is also essential as the supposed reason why energy prices will continue to be very high for ever, so as to trash the Western economies and install the Great Reset.
Everything that Russia has done with the Ukraine invasion, and everything that it is doing now, makes perfect sense, once you realize that Putin and his entire government are slavishly globalist, openly endlessly praising the nascent World Government represented by the WHO, slavishly doing the 'Covid crisis' and 'Covid vaccines' scams exactly in the same way, and saying exactly the same things at each different stage, as all Western governments did.
That is the litmus test: forget about what governments say: look at what they actually do. Putin & Co. are no different in their loyalties than the globalist puppet governments of Germany, the UK , Grance, Italy etc.
The Russian people are totally betrayed - as are the peoples of the West, and far beyond: the Ukraine war was planned years ago, to provide the excuse to drive energy prices through the roof - an absolutely essential operation for the global cabal, in preparation for the Great Reset.
Abandoning Kherson makes military sense but the hysterical reaction from much of the patriotic social media sphere is totally understandable and they have legitimate questions.
When the USSR was forced to retreat all the way to Moscow due to a mixture of incompetence and being genuinely outmatched by NS Germany in terms of military leadership nobody doubted that at least Stalin really, really wanted to win. Stalin made some huge mistakes but he was at least trying to do something to correct the awful situation at the front. He wasn't always making the correct calls but nobody was wondering if he was in fact in a secret alliance with Hitler to destroy the USSR.
The Soviet leaderships incompetence cost millions of lives, but spamming poorly trained conscripts to the front in a timely manner was in retrospect the correct decision. Stalin never told Zhukov or Rosskovskey to try and encircle German Army groups at 4or5 to 1 numerical disadvantage. Stalin didn't continue supplying NS Germany with resources after the start of hostilities.
On the other hand how can you blame Russian patriots for suspecting treason right now? If Zhukov and Rosskovskey had had the means to rain hell on NS Germanys critical infastructure would Stalin have said no? Would he have said no even after being forced to abandon Soviet cities? Im not trying to present an apologetic for Stalin but there can be absolutely no doubt something isnt right at all with Russia's current political/military leadership and that is what is terrifying the Russian Patriots.
"Putin is literally Charles Schwab in disguise" is retarded but we need to see Putin seriously start beating his ex wife instead of constantly swinging back and forth between saying truthful mean things about her during speeches and than simping for her. Get over the crush and just kill the bitch, millions of people all over the world are depending on him.
So sure from the strictly military PoV the shameful retreat is justified, but if it isnt accompanied by a corresponding escalation its all for nothing and the retreat will be permanent. Thats what is scary about this and I don't blame Russian patriots who are losing sleep over it.
“He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious” – Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Scott Ritter gives his view.
"General Surovokin took command of the SMO on October 16.
Two days later, he gave a press conference in which he described the situation on the ground in the Kherson region as “tense.”
On his orders, civilian authorities began evacuating non-combatant persons from the territory held by Russian forces on the west bank of the Dnieper River, including the city of Kherson proper.
One of the reasons cited to justify this action was a growing concern on the part of Russian officials that Ukraine was preparing to destroy a major dam on the Dnieper, north of Kherson, at the Nova Kakhovka hydroelectric power station.
If this dam were destroyed, a wall of water between 5 to 15 meters high would sweep down the river, washing away critical infrastructure, killing thousands, and trapping survivors—military and civilian alike—on the west bank.
An estimated 200,000 civilians and 30,000 Russian troops would be put at risk.
The evacuation of civilians from the west bank of the Dnieper River, when seen in this light, was a prudent humanitarian move in total compliance with the responsibilities assumed by a military commander under the law of war."
...
"Russian forces may very well have been able to sustain a presence on the west bank of the Dnieper, but at what cost?
The highly favorable casualty ratio that was produced in the October fighting would have evened out, or even been adjusted to favor the Ukrainians.
The fundamental question facing Russian leadership was this: what price was Russia willing to pay to hold on to the west bank of the Dnieper River?
No Russian leader was willing to sacrifice up to 3,000 troops to sustain a frontline which gave Ukraine all the advantages.
General Surovokin recommended the adjustment, and General Sergei Shoigu, the Russian Minister of Defense, agreed.
Russian mothers, wives, and children should applaud this decision, as should anyone who holds the life of a Russian soldier in high regard.
Moreover, on can never forget the threat posed by the potential destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam.
How could any responsible commander risk the lives of his troops under such a threat?
Imagine the outrage that would be expressed by these very same keyboard heroes when trying to square the deaths of thousands of Russian troops, and the potential capture of thousands more, in the aftermath of such a catastrophe?
Why didn’t the Russian commanders do something to prevent this, they would cry.
General Surovokin just did."
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/on-kherson?utm_source=substack&publication_id=6892&post_id=83794263&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true
Maybe NATO is throwing Zelensky over the side and they just made a deal with Russia. Russia just put this badass guy in charge of the military and they’re not acting out of desperation.
So the retreat is a military necessity? A military choice forced onto politicians?
How is this a good thing?
All it says is that the military is facing an overwhelming force in places they’re not even able to repel. There is literally no other conclusion to be made.
I guess you’re trying to make the point the army was not fighting hard enough. It appears they’re pretty much saying they’re not able to without a endless stream of body bags. No military dominance to speak of. That’s the nail in the coffin of an already tragic awakening of a Russia that sees the consequences of the europization or more accurately jewification of the whole system post Soviet Union.
I’m not against the decision to retreat but it basically makes the political class look like absolute morons and saboteurs, although that has been made crystal clear with the various cuck moves we get at least once a month.
Thanks for the information.
Very interesting to get a view on how matters are being perceived by the Russian populace.
Putin's calm demeanor - I love this guy!
And Surovikin is apparently doing the job for which he was hired.
These are the two adults in the room - keeping calm and steady, doing what needs to be done.
The fact that they - at least publicly - seem unperturbed by the tumult this is causing merely increases my faith in them.
Brian of "The New Atlas" addresses this withdrawal as well.
https://rumble.com/v1t11qj-russian-kherson-withdrawal-trap-or-necessary-chess-move.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=7
Interesting take by Gonzalo who is in Kharkov.
Waiting for the ground to freeze,
then the Russian fireworks begin. https://youtu.be/d4l220bBG4A
This is not your best post I'm afraid. All your criticisms of the Russian critics could be also directed at what you argue - e.g., you repeatedly say what is their "evidence". Well what is your evidence? This is not a question of "evidence", it's simply a matter of observing events and trying to draw reasonable inferences that can explain what is and has been happening. It seems to me their inferences are no less reasonable than yours. And I would add if the withdrawal from Kherson was necessitated by difficulty of supply due to Ukie attacks on the bridges making supply difficult, how would you explain the Russian failure (with hugely more powerful missiles) to attack the Ukie controlled bridges (and there are not that many - I understand about six that are really critical) across the Dnieper that are crucial to Ukraine keeping its hugely greater army in the East supplied. Why, after nearly nine months have they not been destroyed - it would be easily done with the missiles Russia has - and would make the Ukrainians military position in the east completely unsustainable? This is just one example among many I could cite - and it is also part of a long sequence of bizarrely strange decisions and events dating back to 2014. It is the totality of all these actions by the Russian political leadership that is leading many to conclude that it may not simply be incompetence, but something more than that.
To me personally, Putin's actions more and more remind me of Gorbachev. Like Putin, Gorbachev also was a highly intelligent and competent man, and he was not a deliberate traitor to his country (although that's what his actions resulted in). His problem seems to have been a massive blind spot. An admiration for the west, a desire to emulate and be part of it, and a deep and powerful desire to believe and accept everything western leaders were telling him (completely against the advice of everyone else in the Russian administration). Hence his disastrous decisions and policies that destroyed the USSR. Putin seems the same, and the only difference I can see from Gorbachev is that Putin has over the years managed to surround himself with others who share his blindness. And that makes it much worse.
What do you think about this analysis: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzGqRZZXVRjwzhhTGdlPlMztbBCR
MYSTERY: To either supply or retreat from west Kherson, the Russians should have many hundreds of small boats. This could easily be bought from China. I see no evidence of this. Why?
"This is quite an allegation to even hint at. It was only fringe nationalists who were alleging that the FSB was knocking off militia commanders in the Donbass who didn’t agree with Minsk I and II and who resisted connected mafia dons from Moscow coming in to squabble over Donbass’ resources back in the day."
Knocking off people like that is something an opposition secret service might do in order to stir up trouble among the loyal. The timing - on the very day of pullout - makes that conclusion especially alluring. Only way the frisbees did this is if they are penetrated by Ukrainians, British etc. In which case it isn't the FSB doing it anyway.