I was listening to John Carter’s recent interview on SOTT and I found the episode stimulating and edifying because many points that we bring up here were discussed by the hosts and John. Especially the parts about the need to move past ideology - those resonated with me.
The Spartans had some odd customs. I always thought their institutionalized cuckoldry was one of the weirder ones. Basically, a guy would say to his friend, hey, you're strong, why don't you fuck my wife and I'll raise your son? They were practically bound by honor to suppress their jealousy for explicitly eugenic purposes.
As to the Peloponnesian War, everyone should really read their Thucydides. That conflict was archetypal in so many ways. Autocracy vs oligarchy; tellurocracy vs. thalassocracy; empire vs sovereignty; the madness of ideology; it's all there and more.
Low level social organisation is something I've also been thinking about.Trying to organize a serious political movement from within a dying system is like trying to restart the heart of a roadkill.The problem is compounded by people having a completely unrealistic view of how things/organizations/propaganda operates.Something I've personally noticed over the last 3 years or so is that just because a man can recognize one form of prop doesn't mean he'll recognize another.Those who saw through blm fell for scamdemic,those who saw through that fell for the harry potter ukraine war.The constantly self contradicting narratives are collapsing on each other yet people don't notice due to highly compartmentalized thinking.The different aspects of their world view never meet each other and so people are openly hypocritical while thinking themselves virtuous.This kind of msm supported paranoid schizophrenia makes it completely impossible to have any kind of solution to social ills.Large scale problems like Jewish subversion,intel agency supported terrorism against it's own population,psychopathy in positions of power,feminism and variations of various isms for purposes of destabilization and so on would require the effort of a wholly united society to solve one at a time.To solve all of them at once is a fool's errand.
I remember reading Sex and Culture and one of the takeaways was that no matter how complex or how simple (whether it's Rome or a small tribe in the Congo) once your society has a sexual revolution,it collapses 3 generations down the line.Far as I understand the sex revolution is not a cause but a symptom of the disease,kind of like rabies.Once the symptoms show it's untreatable.
Anyway congrats on getting namedropped on the podcast.You might actually get an influx of people as a result,just don't mention the S word lol.
Thank you. Really appreciating the conversation between Harrison Koehli, Elan Martin, L.P. Koch, Adam Daniels you recommended, and your commentary on it here. This is the clearly the place to be, for me. As our maps are improved, we will find ways to escape the technocratic totalitarian pathocracy envisioned by those I often label Poisoner Oligarchs or the Multi-generational Parasitic "Elite". Fun to see Clif High's model of "The Bug" mentioned in this conversation.
I find it amusing that our neoliberal oligarchs project their own behavior on others. "We are liberal democracies" but they ignore the will of the people and trample on local customs and traditions and act like totalitarian imperialists. Athens and Sparta are such a great archetype.
America was developed not with laissez-faire capitalism but the American School of Economics, which was really put in place with Lincoln and the Republicans from 1861 onwards. Only later did "free market capitalism" push that aside in the 20th century.
How to "sovernize" is the question. Nature abhors a vacuum as politics abhors freedom (politics being about sgtructuring organizational coersion after all), so people are generally under more control than otherwise healthy. I think the approach of the American Federalists, looking in the "back of the book", into the historical record, to see what worked and what didn't, might be the best approach.
Russia today provides a living example of the process, having discarded to yoke of neoliberalism with a vengeance in the 90's. Taking control of its own monetary system is one obvious lesson.
IMHO, the role and power of banking systems are greatly underestimated. Post WWII Japan provides another example of this, where Japan controlled its own development, until its National Bank, initially under the control of the Ministry of Finance, was eventually corrupted into the service of internationnal bankers. In some sense, letting Japan's economy expand until it required international trade to absorb the surplus might have been the mistake.
There were currency wars in America up to the founding of the Fed in 1912, and there was quite a bit of a back-and-forth during the nineteenth century. From what little reading I've done there, there were quite a nuber of battles over whether and what sort of National Bank there should be, and what form currency should take. These struggles proceeded inconclusively until the banks finally won in the end.
A great deal of important power plays run under the radar over the scope of financial control, as the backfiring sanctions against Russiaa have shown. Putin played this suit in his hand of cards very astutely...so far: there's a lot of concern over Nabuliana and the National Bank, at least among sympathetic western observers, who don't seem sure what to make of the arrangement.
Two words caught my left brain attention. Soverinization? I think autarky's the word. Autarky is a variant spelling of and pronounced the same as autarchy and autarchy is another term for autocracy.
Then there was kipping my head as in nodding my head in agreement. But the only English expression I know is "kip up" which involves a hella lot more body parts than even vigorous nodding. But then Spartans are reputed to kip up exiting the birth canal. Who knows?
So far as I can tell, Putin talks like Trump did in 2015. "Drain the swamp" and all the empty rhetoric. Don't we sort of need to ignore the fact that agenda 2030 is moving along nicely in Russia in order to see Putin as some sort of savior? Putin apologists really do act like MAGA folks. Hear what dear leader says but pay no attention to the actions? Look how many people think MAGA will save the US while ignoring operation warp speed. This fake war serves every part of the agenda. EVERY. SINGLE. PART. Putin seems to be playing his role quite well.
As a decentralist, I like the tone of this post that takes its inspiration from John Carter's idea of solving problems at the lowest level one can. But to me, that notion begs the question of the potential contradictions in your concepts of "authority", "sovereignty" and strength". In short, all of these make sense at the geopolitical level, but say little about what can go wrong with them at the level of internal social organization. Historically, all manifestations of these concepts have begotten regimes that display a multitude of benefits and sins.
Take the US food system as an example of the contradiction between central authority and the attempts at relocalization of the food economy. All relocalization efforts are up against the industrial food system backed up by the "rules-based" capitalist legal framework and the directives and subsidies of government agencies like the USDA, FDA and EPA, as well as monopoly corporate control of agricultural research funding. The result is an extremely limited local food self-sufficiency movement.
The Spartans had some odd customs. I always thought their institutionalized cuckoldry was one of the weirder ones. Basically, a guy would say to his friend, hey, you're strong, why don't you fuck my wife and I'll raise your son? They were practically bound by honor to suppress their jealousy for explicitly eugenic purposes.
As to the Peloponnesian War, everyone should really read their Thucydides. That conflict was archetypal in so many ways. Autocracy vs oligarchy; tellurocracy vs. thalassocracy; empire vs sovereignty; the madness of ideology; it's all there and more.
Low level social organisation is something I've also been thinking about.Trying to organize a serious political movement from within a dying system is like trying to restart the heart of a roadkill.The problem is compounded by people having a completely unrealistic view of how things/organizations/propaganda operates.Something I've personally noticed over the last 3 years or so is that just because a man can recognize one form of prop doesn't mean he'll recognize another.Those who saw through blm fell for scamdemic,those who saw through that fell for the harry potter ukraine war.The constantly self contradicting narratives are collapsing on each other yet people don't notice due to highly compartmentalized thinking.The different aspects of their world view never meet each other and so people are openly hypocritical while thinking themselves virtuous.This kind of msm supported paranoid schizophrenia makes it completely impossible to have any kind of solution to social ills.Large scale problems like Jewish subversion,intel agency supported terrorism against it's own population,psychopathy in positions of power,feminism and variations of various isms for purposes of destabilization and so on would require the effort of a wholly united society to solve one at a time.To solve all of them at once is a fool's errand.
I remember reading Sex and Culture and one of the takeaways was that no matter how complex or how simple (whether it's Rome or a small tribe in the Congo) once your society has a sexual revolution,it collapses 3 generations down the line.Far as I understand the sex revolution is not a cause but a symptom of the disease,kind of like rabies.Once the symptoms show it's untreatable.
Anyway congrats on getting namedropped on the podcast.You might actually get an influx of people as a result,just don't mention the S word lol.
Thank you. Really appreciating the conversation between Harrison Koehli, Elan Martin, L.P. Koch, Adam Daniels you recommended, and your commentary on it here. This is the clearly the place to be, for me. As our maps are improved, we will find ways to escape the technocratic totalitarian pathocracy envisioned by those I often label Poisoner Oligarchs or the Multi-generational Parasitic "Elite". Fun to see Clif High's model of "The Bug" mentioned in this conversation.
I'm grateful to have found you all.
I find it amusing that our neoliberal oligarchs project their own behavior on others. "We are liberal democracies" but they ignore the will of the people and trample on local customs and traditions and act like totalitarian imperialists. Athens and Sparta are such a great archetype.
America was developed not with laissez-faire capitalism but the American School of Economics, which was really put in place with Lincoln and the Republicans from 1861 onwards. Only later did "free market capitalism" push that aside in the 20th century.
"Hyper-competent and powerful autocrat". I would add hyper-HAWT. Even my BF likes him.
How to "sovernize" is the question. Nature abhors a vacuum as politics abhors freedom (politics being about sgtructuring organizational coersion after all), so people are generally under more control than otherwise healthy. I think the approach of the American Federalists, looking in the "back of the book", into the historical record, to see what worked and what didn't, might be the best approach.
Russia today provides a living example of the process, having discarded to yoke of neoliberalism with a vengeance in the 90's. Taking control of its own monetary system is one obvious lesson.
IMHO, the role and power of banking systems are greatly underestimated. Post WWII Japan provides another example of this, where Japan controlled its own development, until its National Bank, initially under the control of the Ministry of Finance, was eventually corrupted into the service of internationnal bankers. In some sense, letting Japan's economy expand until it required international trade to absorb the surplus might have been the mistake.
There were currency wars in America up to the founding of the Fed in 1912, and there was quite a bit of a back-and-forth during the nineteenth century. From what little reading I've done there, there were quite a nuber of battles over whether and what sort of National Bank there should be, and what form currency should take. These struggles proceeded inconclusively until the banks finally won in the end.
A great deal of important power plays run under the radar over the scope of financial control, as the backfiring sanctions against Russiaa have shown. Putin played this suit in his hand of cards very astutely...so far: there's a lot of concern over Nabuliana and the National Bank, at least among sympathetic western observers, who don't seem sure what to make of the arrangement.
Two words caught my left brain attention. Soverinization? I think autarky's the word. Autarky is a variant spelling of and pronounced the same as autarchy and autarchy is another term for autocracy.
Then there was kipping my head as in nodding my head in agreement. But the only English expression I know is "kip up" which involves a hella lot more body parts than even vigorous nodding. But then Spartans are reputed to kip up exiting the birth canal. Who knows?
> the need to move past ideology
Reminds me of this Monty Python bit. 😂
https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng?t=16
So far as I can tell, Putin talks like Trump did in 2015. "Drain the swamp" and all the empty rhetoric. Don't we sort of need to ignore the fact that agenda 2030 is moving along nicely in Russia in order to see Putin as some sort of savior? Putin apologists really do act like MAGA folks. Hear what dear leader says but pay no attention to the actions? Look how many people think MAGA will save the US while ignoring operation warp speed. This fake war serves every part of the agenda. EVERY. SINGLE. PART. Putin seems to be playing his role quite well.
As a decentralist, I like the tone of this post that takes its inspiration from John Carter's idea of solving problems at the lowest level one can. But to me, that notion begs the question of the potential contradictions in your concepts of "authority", "sovereignty" and strength". In short, all of these make sense at the geopolitical level, but say little about what can go wrong with them at the level of internal social organization. Historically, all manifestations of these concepts have begotten regimes that display a multitude of benefits and sins.
Take the US food system as an example of the contradiction between central authority and the attempts at relocalization of the food economy. All relocalization efforts are up against the industrial food system backed up by the "rules-based" capitalist legal framework and the directives and subsidies of government agencies like the USDA, FDA and EPA, as well as monopoly corporate control of agricultural research funding. The result is an extremely limited local food self-sufficiency movement.