The Disinfo Ops Are Coming From Both Sides
But that's beyond the point.
Take a look at these accounts:
They are part of a coordinated campaign to take a video released by Wagner of dead Ukrainian soldiers being sent back home and spin it into a mass burial for Wagner prisoners.
There is a lot of disinfo like this out there and most of it is extremely sloppy.
The immediate reaction is to call out the disinfo and “own NAFO”. However, no one ever gets “owned”.
Case in point: Libs have yet to get owned in America, ever. The fact of the matter is that the enemy doesn’t believe in the truth - they only have goals that they systematically pursue. So they tell lies in the service of their greater Truth. This is because the enemy is fundamentally religious in nature.
The goal of NAFO shills is to continue to drum up support (or the illusion of it) for the continuation and escalation of the war. Pointing out that they are lying works to slow down the agenda, maybe, but no NAFO member will ever stop being pro-killing Russians because he got owned by facts and logic. Facts and logic are just weapons to be used when necessary and discarded when not in the service of the Higher Truth.
Like the proto-Orthodox sect of Christians who would castrate themselves and wage war against the “idols” of Rome, they are on a righteous religious crusade in the cause of some “higher” morality. But the mentality (and even the methodology) is the same: sacrificing truth in the name of the Higher Truth that tramples underfoot all reason and logic.
In other words, we are not engaged in a reasoned debate with our enemies.
The debate is, at best, a show put on for the fence-sitters, to try and convince them to join one side or another. But the underlying goal has to be the advancement of one’s own agenda. In America, Conservatives are just (mastur)debaters. They focus on “owning the Libs” by poking holes in their logic and then smugly chuckling about it to their audience. This is quite easy to do, considering the fact that the Libs don’t even believe in biological differences between genders any more.
But politics isn’t a meeting of the debate club.
Politics is about affecting an agenda by any means necessary. And the Conservatives have no positive agenda, really. They hide this fact behind empty platitudes and debating the Libs, but, when pressed, they refuse to take a hard stand on anything. Because if they did, people would, in theory anyways, start asking them what measures or steps they took to effect the agenda. So, if the goal were to defeat the Libs, what measures have been taken to do so?
Are Liberal institutions being shut down? Has any element of the Liberal agenda been defeated or outlawed?
No, and yet, we are told that the Libs have been owned, again and again and again by the talking heads.
Russia faces the same problem: no positive discernible goal that they are pursuing.
Let us take the stated objectives of the SMO, which, to my understanding, at least, have not changed. Putin’s speech about the “de-Communism-ation” of the Ukraine none-withstanding, the official goals have been demilitarization and de-Nazification.
No one with a brain understood these goals and what they meant.
Does demilitarization mean the destruction of every single piece of military hardware? Does it mean turning Ukraine into a DMZ? And what does de-Nazification mean? Banning Nazi symbology? Arresting the predominantly Liberal and ethnically neocon government in Kiev? Banning militia groups? What?
And if we are unable to understand the goals, it means that something is afoot. Because if concrete goals are not specified, then it becomes harder to hold people accountable. Platitudes are a cover. And 5D apologists are in the business of “owning the Ukrainians” with much the same effect as their Con Inc counter-parts in America.
When asked what exactly are Russia’s objectives and how Russia plans to pursue them, they’ve got nothing. They just get angry and close ranks.
But I have many questions for the Kremlin?
Forget about Ukraine, what is the goal for Russia? Why are the elites who are in power, in power? Under Communism, at least, they were building Socialism. That was an agenda that could be measured by the number of schools and hospitals built, for example.
But now?
What is the Kremlin’s vision? What do they offer to the Russian people?
Is there a plan to retake Russia’s historical lands? To defeat NATO? To populate Siberia? To colonize Titan?
No, there is nothing. The elite doesn’t even have the courage to advance a positive proposal for Russia’s future, or pledge allegiance to a vision of some kind. This is what people like Dugin rail about: the lack of a “Russian idea”.
Who are Russia’s declared enemies? Her friends? What can Russia offer the world?
The real answer is that Russia’s elites just want the post-Soviet status quo to remain in place. Part of them want to be left in peace to continue making money off their monopoly industries. These are the “patriotic” elites. The others want to be integrated into the Western power and economic structures. These are the “liberal” elites.
Basically, Russia needs a better caste of leaders. And so does America.
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Speaking of Dugin, he’s written some interesting pieces about the need to reform Orthodoxy into an Imperial battle cult among some other spicy ideas. Seeing as he is one of the only ones talking about this topic, I’ll cover some of his proposals next.
But you’ll have to get behind the paywall to read them.
Stay tuned.
Russias poor elites. They really, really just want to be like Charlie Sheen in that Wall street movie. They totally transformed the country into a pretty good approximation of 90s America. Kleptocracy, meaningless elections, vague values that can mean anything to anyone, degeneracy is promoted but not forced at gun point. They tried so hard. But 90s America was not the destination it was just a phase. Russias elite apparently bought the "end of history" harder than anyone in America.
History has moved past Russias overlords and they will adapt or die. Unfortunately the RFs fate is very dependent on what these dunces and rubes do.
The meme about conservatives owning the libs with facts and logic being akin to fapping is more true than most people realise. You can prove the holocaust didnt happen as per the orthodox version with facts and logic. You can prove democracy starts as gay and transitions into fake and gay 100% of the time with facts and logic. You can prove niggers suck with facts and logic. You can prove jews suck with facts and logic. You can prove libertarianism doesn't work long term ever with facts and logic.
That is conservatives flee from facts and logic just like shitlibs and their selective use of them to feel smug really is like a coomer who only has a single useless purpose for his genitals. The shitlibs who don't even pretend to believe in God intuitively understand that logic divorced from the divine order means nothing and doesn't count. They claim to be logical in their reddit fedora tier way but they also intuitively understand that truth means nothing without an arbitrator of truth above themselves. So when a shitlib says they only believe in science and reason what that actually means is they believe what they are told to believe by experts in BS science and social justice. They believe what authority figures say because those are their only arbiters of truth since they have no God. If those arbiters say one thing and than something else a day later it would actually be irrational to ask why they changed what they were saying. They have that perogative because the "experts" are the oracles in the modern shitlibs world. Whats irrational to a shitlib is not believing them.
The stupid conservative just doesn't get this and furthermore Hannity and Ben Shapiro violate the laws of reason just as much as Fauci or Dawkins or whoever. In those stupid owning sessions both liberals and conservatives are applying logic as it lines up with their own a priori desires. In the liberals case its feeling morally superior and smart because you are on the same side as people who are smart and trying to save the world. In the conservatives case its feeling smart and smug because you don't blindly follow authority like a liberal commie, you defer to a different authority such as Ben Shapiro or if you are especially edgy zero hedge. But the conservative seriously has no use for logic beyond that..I mean its literally impossible to believe the orthodox holocaust story and that there is nothing wrong with multiracial egalitarian societys in principle but you also value truth and logic in themselves.
🗨 Perhaps the most important question facing our civilization over the next 40 years is not how inadequate leaders become inadequate leaders, but what characteristics of human nature cause us to so consistently choose the most inadequate among us and elevate them to positions where they can do the most harm.
~~Charles Pellegrino, Ghosts of the Titanic, 2000(!)