Russias poor elites. They really, really just want to be like Charlie Sheen in that Wall street movie. They totally transformed the country into a pretty good approximation of 90s America. Kleptocracy, meaningless elections, vague values that can mean anything to anyone, degeneracy is promoted but not forced at gun point. They tried so hard. But 90s America was not the destination it was just a phase. Russias elite apparently bought the "end of history" harder than anyone in America.
History has moved past Russias overlords and they will adapt or die. Unfortunately the RFs fate is very dependent on what these dunces and rubes do.
The meme about conservatives owning the libs with facts and logic being akin to fapping is more true than most people realise. You can prove the holocaust didnt happen as per the orthodox version with facts and logic. You can prove democracy starts as gay and transitions into fake and gay 100% of the time with facts and logic. You can prove niggers suck with facts and logic. You can prove jews suck with facts and logic. You can prove libertarianism doesn't work long term ever with facts and logic.
That is conservatives flee from facts and logic just like shitlibs and their selective use of them to feel smug really is like a coomer who only has a single useless purpose for his genitals. The shitlibs who don't even pretend to believe in God intuitively understand that logic divorced from the divine order means nothing and doesn't count. They claim to be logical in their reddit fedora tier way but they also intuitively understand that truth means nothing without an arbitrator of truth above themselves. So when a shitlib says they only believe in science and reason what that actually means is they believe what they are told to believe by experts in BS science and social justice. They believe what authority figures say because those are their only arbiters of truth since they have no God. If those arbiters say one thing and than something else a day later it would actually be irrational to ask why they changed what they were saying. They have that perogative because the "experts" are the oracles in the modern shitlibs world. Whats irrational to a shitlib is not believing them.
The stupid conservative just doesn't get this and furthermore Hannity and Ben Shapiro violate the laws of reason just as much as Fauci or Dawkins or whoever. In those stupid owning sessions both liberals and conservatives are applying logic as it lines up with their own a priori desires. In the liberals case its feeling morally superior and smart because you are on the same side as people who are smart and trying to save the world. In the conservatives case its feeling smart and smug because you don't blindly follow authority like a liberal commie, you defer to a different authority such as Ben Shapiro or if you are especially edgy zero hedge. But the conservative seriously has no use for logic beyond that..I mean its literally impossible to believe the orthodox holocaust story and that there is nothing wrong with multiracial egalitarian societys in principle but you also value truth and logic in themselves.
Not only liberals but also normal people basically see conservatives as cruel and evil because:
- they don't want to pay for welfare and health care to the less fortunate.
- don't want to pay taxes because of the hidden motive that they are rich
This was what could be smelled in the air during the 80s and the 90s.
Given that most people don't go through the hassle of researching issues and critically update their own beliefs so that these get more accurately closer to the true state of things, but basically they stick to what has always worked for them and don't want to even think about remotely incurring in the risk of getting socially ostracized only for Truth to prevail, not even ThinK about that, they are basically still stuck in the 90s.
Outspoken liberals are brainwashed opportunists for the most part. I don't think we, the honest and mildly autistic, can get into their heads in the sense of truly understand what's going on there. It's the normies that scare and frustrate me.
The other day a guy I was talking to said (after railing against capitalism) “The jab was necessary even though it didn’t do much anyway “ cognitive dissonance much?
🗨 Perhaps the most important question facing our civilization over the next 40 years is not how inadequate leaders become inadequate leaders, but what characteristics of human nature cause us to so consistently choose the most inadequate among us and elevate them to positions where they can do the most harm.
~~Charles Pellegrino, Ghosts of the Titanic, 2000(!)
The reason masses elect mediocre leaders is human pettiness: "you now may be chief, but I can feel superior to you because this or that moral, behavioural, physical flaw you are burdened with"
This sounds like a precis of Carlyle's Past and Present (circa 1840) - in the Past, humans did fairly well choosing and following leaders (Abbot Hugo, circa 1100). In the Present, we have an entrenched and worthless aristocracy who have fixed, distorted Leader-Choosing by means of democratic elections such that only they can be chosen. Carlyle searches for a new Aristocracy of Talent; finds a few clever and well-intentioned Captains of Industry and concludes on a weakly optimistic note.
Much closer to our times, Andrzej Łobaczewski built a fascinating framework from psychopathology foundations, in his Political Ponerology of thrilling fate 🔥👌
I'm starting to get black-pilled fairly hard about all of this. Russia seems to be embracing the mindset of the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan. We're here fighting for "reasons" but there's no endgame or objective. The Kremlin refuses to embrace a coherent strategy and rejects nationalism while keeping a Western 5th column in place. This just feels like more culling on par with WW1 or 2.
This reminds me of the 1897 quote by Robert Lewis Dabny, the chief of staff to Stonewall Jackson:
"It may be inferred again that the present movement for women's rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent: Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. . . . Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its bark is worse than its bite, and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now serves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it in wind, and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip. No doubt, after a few years, when women's suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position."
Yes. Those goals are vague, but you are being a bit obtuse if you insist they mean nothing. Both demilitarization and de-nazification can be accomplished by defeating the Zelensky 'regime' and installing a puppet government. That government can eschew both militarism and 'nazism'. Have a small or nonexistent military (like Japan after WWII) and suppress all the right-wing groups. That is, arrest or kill all their leaders.
Why is there no 'Russian Idea'? I know almost nothing, so can only guess. The Russian 'idea' was to join the Empire, but the Empire wanted too much ass-kissing and also went insane with these weird Jewish post-Modern ideas. So, they need to come up with a new idea, but haven't yet, although Putin's speeches have pieces here and there.
There are some unlikely heroes on the world political stage today. This story about the Romainian
Senator Diana Sosoaca decrying NATO's probable use of HAARP technology to cause an earthquake in a very sensitive area of the Middle East as payback for Turkish President Erdogan's perceived affronts to NATO...in fact Erdogan might be considered a modern day hero of sorts....
Orthodoxy was and is always about War. It’s by no means terrible to be faced with superior enemy forces. In fact, this is the best thing for stimulating personal development. To be able to do something means, after all, being able to defeat those who aren’t able to do this, even if the preponderance of power is on their side. Every real, interesting, and fun war is only against superior enemy forces. In such a war, it’s no terrible thing to die, although in such a war there are usually the best chances of winning. It’s no terrible thing to die when you’re where you’re supposed to be and doing what you’re supposed to be doing. But it’s for just this very reason that the most terrible thing is to find yourself among enemies before you understand what it means to be at war.
After all, Christianity does not exist in any form except warfare. The Church is the camp of Israel, which is traveling through the desert, where it encounters enemies only, and doesn’t have the right either to return or just to stop in its tracks. In contrast to the Old Testament 'Israel', the Church does not have any purpose on earth.
But you see, Old Testament israel could live in either peace or war. Christianity can only live in a constant state of war. That is, authentic Christians, who were and are rare. If so called Christians are comfortable with peace, they are not Christians, but processed human pulp. The Church processed these people for eventual supply for secular warring forces, but now even they are not really needed for war.
in the OT, they could have been at peace or at war, they claimed they wanted outer peace anyway, or justice, which was their idea of peace. Pre-Nicene Christianity which ideas existed in the Church for centuries onward pursued warfare on the outer battlefield but the christians realized this was a reflection of an unseen warfare that did not involve outer peace but was constant and unending. It took the outer action of the battlefield to make them realize the inner act of warfare. Christ didn't come to bring peace but a sword and all that. The Church became a bloated bureaucracy later, and churned out contented 'christians,' who just want peaceful conditions in a fake christian life.
Governor Ron DeSantis is an exception. He uses the power of government to fight the liberals. Look how he took down Disney World. Disney can no longer issue tax free bonds and is now fully subject to the law. He also took anti-voter fraud measures.
DeSantis has been a great governor but has remained silent concerning his foreign policy views, which is his right as a governor. But that will change if he announces for president. During his time in Congress, he seemed to be just another neocon. Maybe his views have changed, who knows? But I'm reserving judgment as long as he remains silent on the most important issue of our time - the terrorist Biden regime's war on Russia.
"This is because the enemy is fundamentally religious in nature."
My question to politicians is, "What action are you proposing to take, and what specific outcome do you expect?" The rest is BS.
A feature common to nearly all contemporary politics is the divorce between goals and policy. Whether it be for achieving social justice, reducing gun killings, or keeping the planet from frying, legislation is proposed which is generally consistent with the ideological mood, but for which little reason is given as to whether stated legislative policy will actually move us toward said goal.
Yes, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine by all means, or whatever. But what action can you take to keep NATO out, short of taking over the whole place?
Rolo presents some very good ideas here. I've always perceived that American Libs behave, and are driven, as members of a religious cult. Unlike conservatives, they live it every day.
I like the tone of the competing hierarchies being suspect. Consider that socialism seems to always become a tool for these fascists, since nothing makes sense is it fair game to not trust any institution larger than 150 members? I don't know. I must have missed the meaning of 5D someone please clue me in.
Let me see if I have been paying attention. I think Rolo uses the term 5D in this way: (I think it is his coinage). Chess is played in two dimensions (length width). Back in the original Star Trek TV show days, a hybrid and extremely intelligent human/alien character, Spock, played 3D - three dimensional - chess. (adding an additional chess board (or two) above the 2 D one). The term 3D chess thus entered the vernacular as a hyper-intelligent capacity to engage in mental analysis and thus strategic planning. "5D" I assume is an effect of verbal inflation and hyperbole.
In the current context of speculation about Russian strategic planning in the SMO - the term is deployed by Rolo and commenters to be a coy denigration of opposing analysts of the SMO who despite being consistently wrong relative to results on the ground, insist that they can discern a higher logic - i.e. 5D thinking - in Russian planning such that apparent setbacks are actually clever victories the outcome of which will soon become manifest. The "classic" (already!) case, perhaps, is the fast Russian mechanized advance on Kiev in Feb 2022. They got there, encircled the city, and simply left after 3 weeks or so - many of the troops walking back to Russian lines, abandoning a considerable portion of their tanks for which there was no fuel. Humiliating, pointless setback? Not at all say the 5D guys. It was a clever feint - meant to divert and freeze large portions of the Ukr military .
You get the point? - 5D thinking - it gets more creative than the above example - turns every Russian setback or failure or inaction (more typical now) - into a brilliant success.
Russias poor elites. They really, really just want to be like Charlie Sheen in that Wall street movie. They totally transformed the country into a pretty good approximation of 90s America. Kleptocracy, meaningless elections, vague values that can mean anything to anyone, degeneracy is promoted but not forced at gun point. They tried so hard. But 90s America was not the destination it was just a phase. Russias elite apparently bought the "end of history" harder than anyone in America.
History has moved past Russias overlords and they will adapt or die. Unfortunately the RFs fate is very dependent on what these dunces and rubes do.
The meme about conservatives owning the libs with facts and logic being akin to fapping is more true than most people realise. You can prove the holocaust didnt happen as per the orthodox version with facts and logic. You can prove democracy starts as gay and transitions into fake and gay 100% of the time with facts and logic. You can prove niggers suck with facts and logic. You can prove jews suck with facts and logic. You can prove libertarianism doesn't work long term ever with facts and logic.
That is conservatives flee from facts and logic just like shitlibs and their selective use of them to feel smug really is like a coomer who only has a single useless purpose for his genitals. The shitlibs who don't even pretend to believe in God intuitively understand that logic divorced from the divine order means nothing and doesn't count. They claim to be logical in their reddit fedora tier way but they also intuitively understand that truth means nothing without an arbitrator of truth above themselves. So when a shitlib says they only believe in science and reason what that actually means is they believe what they are told to believe by experts in BS science and social justice. They believe what authority figures say because those are their only arbiters of truth since they have no God. If those arbiters say one thing and than something else a day later it would actually be irrational to ask why they changed what they were saying. They have that perogative because the "experts" are the oracles in the modern shitlibs world. Whats irrational to a shitlib is not believing them.
The stupid conservative just doesn't get this and furthermore Hannity and Ben Shapiro violate the laws of reason just as much as Fauci or Dawkins or whoever. In those stupid owning sessions both liberals and conservatives are applying logic as it lines up with their own a priori desires. In the liberals case its feeling morally superior and smart because you are on the same side as people who are smart and trying to save the world. In the conservatives case its feeling smart and smug because you don't blindly follow authority like a liberal commie, you defer to a different authority such as Ben Shapiro or if you are especially edgy zero hedge. But the conservative seriously has no use for logic beyond that..I mean its literally impossible to believe the orthodox holocaust story and that there is nothing wrong with multiracial egalitarian societys in principle but you also value truth and logic in themselves.
Not only liberals but also normal people basically see conservatives as cruel and evil because:
- they don't want to pay for welfare and health care to the less fortunate.
- don't want to pay taxes because of the hidden motive that they are rich
This was what could be smelled in the air during the 80s and the 90s.
Given that most people don't go through the hassle of researching issues and critically update their own beliefs so that these get more accurately closer to the true state of things, but basically they stick to what has always worked for them and don't want to even think about remotely incurring in the risk of getting socially ostracized only for Truth to prevail, not even ThinK about that, they are basically still stuck in the 90s.
Outspoken liberals are brainwashed opportunists for the most part. I don't think we, the honest and mildly autistic, can get into their heads in the sense of truly understand what's going on there. It's the normies that scare and frustrate me.
Martin Sheen?
The other day a guy I was talking to said (after railing against capitalism) “The jab was necessary even though it didn’t do much anyway “ cognitive dissonance much?
As a ZHer, I suppose I must be especially "edgy." I appreciate the moniker.
🗨 Perhaps the most important question facing our civilization over the next 40 years is not how inadequate leaders become inadequate leaders, but what characteristics of human nature cause us to so consistently choose the most inadequate among us and elevate them to positions where they can do the most harm.
~~Charles Pellegrino, Ghosts of the Titanic, 2000(!)
The reason masses elect mediocre leaders is human pettiness: "you now may be chief, but I can feel superior to you because this or that moral, behavioural, physical flaw you are burdened with"
Mediocre, ffs! That would be quite an upgrade 😁
Though hard to argue, human pettiness sure does vote in elections.
This sounds like a precis of Carlyle's Past and Present (circa 1840) - in the Past, humans did fairly well choosing and following leaders (Abbot Hugo, circa 1100). In the Present, we have an entrenched and worthless aristocracy who have fixed, distorted Leader-Choosing by means of democratic elections such that only they can be chosen. Carlyle searches for a new Aristocracy of Talent; finds a few clever and well-intentioned Captains of Industry and concludes on a weakly optimistic note.
Much closer to our times, Andrzej Łobaczewski built a fascinating framework from psychopathology foundations, in his Political Ponerology of thrilling fate 🔥👌
You may want to explore a busy ‘stack dedicated to this work, its explication and implications alike 😊 Eg, this way please --> ponerology.substack.com/p/psychopathy-and-crimes-against-humanity
It’s as if they shut down all the mental hospitals, gave the inmates fancy suits & had them run for office, and it worked!
"...the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men." - Daniel 4:17
Good column, Rolo.
I'm starting to get black-pilled fairly hard about all of this. Russia seems to be embracing the mindset of the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan. We're here fighting for "reasons" but there's no endgame or objective. The Kremlin refuses to embrace a coherent strategy and rejects nationalism while keeping a Western 5th column in place. This just feels like more culling on par with WW1 or 2.
This reminds me of the 1897 quote by Robert Lewis Dabny, the chief of staff to Stonewall Jackson:
"It may be inferred again that the present movement for women's rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent: Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. . . . Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its bark is worse than its bite, and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now serves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it in wind, and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip. No doubt, after a few years, when women's suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position."
Yes. Those goals are vague, but you are being a bit obtuse if you insist they mean nothing. Both demilitarization and de-nazification can be accomplished by defeating the Zelensky 'regime' and installing a puppet government. That government can eschew both militarism and 'nazism'. Have a small or nonexistent military (like Japan after WWII) and suppress all the right-wing groups. That is, arrest or kill all their leaders.
Why is there no 'Russian Idea'? I know almost nothing, so can only guess. The Russian 'idea' was to join the Empire, but the Empire wanted too much ass-kissing and also went insane with these weird Jewish post-Modern ideas. So, they need to come up with a new idea, but haven't yet, although Putin's speeches have pieces here and there.
There are some unlikely heroes on the world political stage today. This story about the Romainian
Senator Diana Sosoaca decrying NATO's probable use of HAARP technology to cause an earthquake in a very sensitive area of the Middle East as payback for Turkish President Erdogan's perceived affronts to NATO...in fact Erdogan might be considered a modern day hero of sorts....
https://vk.com/video613229954_456240136
Looking forward to Dugin's takes.
Orthodoxy was and is always about War. It’s by no means terrible to be faced with superior enemy forces. In fact, this is the best thing for stimulating personal development. To be able to do something means, after all, being able to defeat those who aren’t able to do this, even if the preponderance of power is on their side. Every real, interesting, and fun war is only against superior enemy forces. In such a war, it’s no terrible thing to die, although in such a war there are usually the best chances of winning. It’s no terrible thing to die when you’re where you’re supposed to be and doing what you’re supposed to be doing. But it’s for just this very reason that the most terrible thing is to find yourself among enemies before you understand what it means to be at war.
After all, Christianity does not exist in any form except warfare. The Church is the camp of Israel, which is traveling through the desert, where it encounters enemies only, and doesn’t have the right either to return or just to stop in its tracks. In contrast to the Old Testament 'Israel', the Church does not have any purpose on earth.
Yeah only the Old Testament has any teeth to it. Christianity has to pretend to be Israel when it's time to wage war.
But you see, Old Testament israel could live in either peace or war. Christianity can only live in a constant state of war. That is, authentic Christians, who were and are rare. If so called Christians are comfortable with peace, they are not Christians, but processed human pulp. The Church processed these people for eventual supply for secular warring forces, but now even they are not really needed for war.
Don't know what you mean. The Old Testament is all about subverting or destroying the non-Chosen with war or whatever means.
Nicene Christianity, however, is just theological lawyering and a moral code.
in the OT, they could have been at peace or at war, they claimed they wanted outer peace anyway, or justice, which was their idea of peace. Pre-Nicene Christianity which ideas existed in the Church for centuries onward pursued warfare on the outer battlefield but the christians realized this was a reflection of an unseen warfare that did not involve outer peace but was constant and unending. It took the outer action of the battlefield to make them realize the inner act of warfare. Christ didn't come to bring peace but a sword and all that. The Church became a bloated bureaucracy later, and churned out contented 'christians,' who just want peaceful conditions in a fake christian life.
> 5D apologists are in the business of “owning the Ukrainians” with much the same effect as their Con Inc counter-parts in America.
Fitting analogy. Basically 5D followers are the update to the Current Thing of the civic nationalists who like to own the Libs since 2015.
And Democrats are the REAL RACISTS. Don't forget that Con Inc homily.
Governor Ron DeSantis is an exception. He uses the power of government to fight the liberals. Look how he took down Disney World. Disney can no longer issue tax free bonds and is now fully subject to the law. He also took anti-voter fraud measures.
DeSantis has been a great governor but has remained silent concerning his foreign policy views, which is his right as a governor. But that will change if he announces for president. During his time in Congress, he seemed to be just another neocon. Maybe his views have changed, who knows? But I'm reserving judgment as long as he remains silent on the most important issue of our time - the terrorist Biden regime's war on Russia.
DeSantis is a sweatier, fatter and much less charismatic imitation of Trump. As a president, he would be at best like baby Bush.
"This is because the enemy is fundamentally religious in nature."
My question to politicians is, "What action are you proposing to take, and what specific outcome do you expect?" The rest is BS.
A feature common to nearly all contemporary politics is the divorce between goals and policy. Whether it be for achieving social justice, reducing gun killings, or keeping the planet from frying, legislation is proposed which is generally consistent with the ideological mood, but for which little reason is given as to whether stated legislative policy will actually move us toward said goal.
Yes, demilitarize and denazify Ukraine by all means, or whatever. But what action can you take to keep NATO out, short of taking over the whole place?
Rolo presents some very good ideas here. I've always perceived that American Libs behave, and are driven, as members of a religious cult. Unlike conservatives, they live it every day.
I like the tone of the competing hierarchies being suspect. Consider that socialism seems to always become a tool for these fascists, since nothing makes sense is it fair game to not trust any institution larger than 150 members? I don't know. I must have missed the meaning of 5D someone please clue me in.
Let me see if I have been paying attention. I think Rolo uses the term 5D in this way: (I think it is his coinage). Chess is played in two dimensions (length width). Back in the original Star Trek TV show days, a hybrid and extremely intelligent human/alien character, Spock, played 3D - three dimensional - chess. (adding an additional chess board (or two) above the 2 D one). The term 3D chess thus entered the vernacular as a hyper-intelligent capacity to engage in mental analysis and thus strategic planning. "5D" I assume is an effect of verbal inflation and hyperbole.
In the current context of speculation about Russian strategic planning in the SMO - the term is deployed by Rolo and commenters to be a coy denigration of opposing analysts of the SMO who despite being consistently wrong relative to results on the ground, insist that they can discern a higher logic - i.e. 5D thinking - in Russian planning such that apparent setbacks are actually clever victories the outcome of which will soon become manifest. The "classic" (already!) case, perhaps, is the fast Russian mechanized advance on Kiev in Feb 2022. They got there, encircled the city, and simply left after 3 weeks or so - many of the troops walking back to Russian lines, abandoning a considerable portion of their tanks for which there was no fuel. Humiliating, pointless setback? Not at all say the 5D guys. It was a clever feint - meant to divert and freeze large portions of the Ukr military .
You get the point? - 5D thinking - it gets more creative than the above example - turns every Russian setback or failure or inaction (more typical now) - into a brilliant success.
lol. 5 ways to embellish a lie.