[Heraclitus and the Birth of Logos, Did Plato Read the Bible? The Pre-Socratics Were Panpsychists, The Torah War on Spirituality, Forms vs Change, Sheldrake - the Modern Rational Mystic and More!]
I loved this interview… for myceneal reasons. I’m listening along about Greek concepts of logos and pyr and pan-psychic, and I’m thinking “damn, this really sounds like my amanita mushroom ego death experience”. And then Rurik brings up mushrooms. He's not the typical mushroom type, and well, neither am I but what the hell.
Here's someone else who would be an interesting guest. He knows a lot about physics and metaphysics. Ken Wheeler says that computers and mobile phones are 'dark mirrors' which are diluting our souls, an even worse affliction than we thought. Poor John Dee!
Thought this was a great discussion that took a while before the flow got going. Rurik, you were burning w/ Heraclitean fire, no doubt as aftereffect of the recent mushrooms. Skrbina took a while to catch your flame. That metaphysics of nationalism book sounds important. Is it the one after the metaphysics project already in the works?
Had to brush up on a basic distinction about similar concepts. FWIW here's an attempt at clarifying them. I'm not sure if pan-psychism is the same as pantheism. Skrbina seems to say it's not.
Pantheism is not animism. Animism is the belief that animals, trees, rivers, mountains—all things—have a spirit. However, these spirits are unique rather than being part of a greater spiritual whole. These spirits are frequently approached with reverence and offerings to ensure continued goodwill between humanity and the spirits. Pantheism considers God and the universe equivalent. It encourages scientific inquiry as a search for God. So pantheism to me sounds like a later concept, an attempt to include both Christian universalism and science methodology under its umbrella.
I think the difference is just the starting point of how one comes at it. Experiential vs abstract reasoning
Yes that is my current project.
I don’t think I can flesh it out entirely but I can explain the concept and why it has to exist conceptually. But if I can find someone like the professor who has the background to use the language of the European philosophical tradition then this becomes feasible. Hope that makes sense.
I want you to talk metaphysics with that British guy again or even get these two together for a three way... ... conversations. I think that was Rupert but I'm too lazy to look through SubStack to clarify.
One thing that Skrbina seems not to have examined closely is Heraclitus' metaphor of the lyre. Heraclitus suggests why there is apparent stability in the world of ceaseless changing.
Nice one, thank you RS. Jorjani would be an interesting guest. He could talk at length about Mithraism, Gnosticism, Prometheanism, Platonism - and the revolutionary fire in the minds of (some) men.
There are lots of people claiming mindblowing insights and scientific breaktroughs because of using mushrooms/hallucinogenics, the guy that invented the molecular structure of dna said he visualized the double helix when using lsd. So after reading this i had to try it. Ate a load of them with some friends and had written down some notes on subjects i wanted to think about during the experience. So what great insights did i gain? None, besides a vague sense of connectedness that went away the following days. Have to agree with skrbina here, have never met anyone that truly developed a greater understanding of something due to mushrooms.
They simply lead to altered states of perception. Like putting on a pair of goggles with which to see the world differently. In my conversation with the mushrooms they gave me some good health advice and encouragement to keep at it with my meditation work. They also released a deep knot of tension in my gut that had developed as a result of a bike accident. After the trip the fear was gone.
I loved this interview… for myceneal reasons. I’m listening along about Greek concepts of logos and pyr and pan-psychic, and I’m thinking “damn, this really sounds like my amanita mushroom ego death experience”. And then Rurik brings up mushrooms. He's not the typical mushroom type, and well, neither am I but what the hell.
Here's someone else who would be an interesting guest. He knows a lot about physics and metaphysics. Ken Wheeler says that computers and mobile phones are 'dark mirrors' which are diluting our souls, an even worse affliction than we thought. Poor John Dee!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q72bDcU2I0
Thank you. You guys dug deep in the 2nd part.
A good way to look at is the True Gnostic Way:
There are 2 Creations, the True Divine Creation and the Demiurge's False Light Creation which Trapped some Divine Beings. There are;
Class 1 Consciousness: Minerals
Class 2: Plants
Class 3: Plants
Class 4: Humans
Class 5: Angelic (Divine and Evil Angels)
and so on.
Thought this was a great discussion that took a while before the flow got going. Rurik, you were burning w/ Heraclitean fire, no doubt as aftereffect of the recent mushrooms. Skrbina took a while to catch your flame. That metaphysics of nationalism book sounds important. Is it the one after the metaphysics project already in the works?
Had to brush up on a basic distinction about similar concepts. FWIW here's an attempt at clarifying them. I'm not sure if pan-psychism is the same as pantheism. Skrbina seems to say it's not.
Pantheism is not animism. Animism is the belief that animals, trees, rivers, mountains—all things—have a spirit. However, these spirits are unique rather than being part of a greater spiritual whole. These spirits are frequently approached with reverence and offerings to ensure continued goodwill between humanity and the spirits. Pantheism considers God and the universe equivalent. It encourages scientific inquiry as a search for God. So pantheism to me sounds like a later concept, an attempt to include both Christian universalism and science methodology under its umbrella.
I think the difference is just the starting point of how one comes at it. Experiential vs abstract reasoning
Yes that is my current project.
I don’t think I can flesh it out entirely but I can explain the concept and why it has to exist conceptually. But if I can find someone like the professor who has the background to use the language of the European philosophical tradition then this becomes feasible. Hope that makes sense.
Excellent show. Glad I listened.
Heraclitus woul most definitely have been referring to plasma when using the term fire.
Would be cool if you were able to interview John Lamb Lash, and talk about mysticism and mushrooms. Also, great interview!
I want you to talk metaphysics with that British guy again or even get these two together for a three way... ... conversations. I think that was Rupert but I'm too lazy to look through SubStack to clarify.
One thing that Skrbina seems not to have examined closely is Heraclitus' metaphor of the lyre. Heraclitus suggests why there is apparent stability in the world of ceaseless changing.
Nice one, thank you RS. Jorjani would be an interesting guest. He could talk at length about Mithraism, Gnosticism, Prometheanism, Platonism - and the revolutionary fire in the minds of (some) men.
Yeah but he’s too blatantly a zio shill
There are lots of people claiming mindblowing insights and scientific breaktroughs because of using mushrooms/hallucinogenics, the guy that invented the molecular structure of dna said he visualized the double helix when using lsd. So after reading this i had to try it. Ate a load of them with some friends and had written down some notes on subjects i wanted to think about during the experience. So what great insights did i gain? None, besides a vague sense of connectedness that went away the following days. Have to agree with skrbina here, have never met anyone that truly developed a greater understanding of something due to mushrooms.
They simply lead to altered states of perception. Like putting on a pair of goggles with which to see the world differently. In my conversation with the mushrooms they gave me some good health advice and encouragement to keep at it with my meditation work. They also released a deep knot of tension in my gut that had developed as a result of a bike accident. After the trip the fear was gone.