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In the interest of fairness one can say "well if Putin is just a traitor he would have just maintained the exact same course as Yeltsin and changed nothing but Russias position and prospects have greatly improved under Putin". That is a far cry from Putin is 5D judo chess master but it isn't ridiculous and could fit into the Zanon timeline. Putin's staving off the total dissolution that was going on with Russia does require an explanation and Rolo needs to drop the article about the Wests problem with Putin which he mentioned something about.

Long time Stalkers should of course be familiar with the convergence theory and that theory has far more explanatory power with evidence to back it than anything Zanon or 5D. When we speak of convergence we are speaking of like the early 90s, when the US wasn't doing trannies, gay marriage was considered impossible, there was no BLM, Europe was pretty much White, etc etc etc. This doesn't mean Zog wasn't evil even than but the Soviet elite that dismantled the USSR thought they were converging with respectable crooks with whom they were going to run a global protection racket as equals. The convergence party in Russia being ridiculous stupid boomers still to this day want to converge with that West which no longer even exists. Not much different than Poles or Baltic plebs in that particular respect. They are like the flip side of Zanonist, if Zanonist idolize a Russia that doesn't exist than the Russian convergence "hardliners" idolize a West that doesn't exist.

In order to really get the mentality of these fools one needs to understand the conflict between the Stalinist and the people around Khrushchev which the Stalinist lost. This is a subject which which neo-stalinist in Russia have spilt oceans of ink on and regardless of ones opinion on Stalin their explanation fits. The short and simplified TLDR is the people around Khrushchev were not anti Western, they were for convergence on fair terms and if you look at what actually pissed off Khrushchev it was what he perceived as the West rudely encroaching in the USSRs backyard for no reason. Like putting nukes in Turkey. But personally Khrushchev tolerated and even fostered corruption amongst the Soviet elite (which led to his downfall eventually) , he was an internationalist who spat on Russia more so than Stalin hence giving Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, he was the one that pioneered the practice of building up the other Republics at the expense of Russia, etc etc. It's also worth mentioning that Khrushchev while a murderer was not an outright degenerate, for example he absolutely hated modern art and by today's standards of morality he would be considered a puritan square. That's another similarity between the convergence party and their predecessors, their preference for classy call girls as opposed to little boys makes them Puritans by today's standards and that is a literal point of tension between them and their Western partners.

The point of that digression is to illustrate that today's convergence hardliners in Russia are Khrushchevs heirs. They have absolutely no love for Russia and see it as nothing more than an asset mine to strip, they have complete contempt for all things Russian (the ridiculous anti Russian USSR propaganda received new life under Khrushchev) they have no ideological quarrel with the West but they do take personal offense at the West treating them like the junior partners and sticking its nose into their turf but they do want convergence and a seat at the table. People often forget that Glasnost round 1 took place with Khrushchev.

Of course today's convergence hardliners in Russia are dumber and less competent than their forbearers just like the Western elites today are a shadow of their former selves. But the point is steps toward convergence with the West started after Stalins murder, not the early 90s. Its obvious of course that in the 50s the West offered a genuinely attractive siren song and still did even in the early 90s and the current convergence crowds idolization of a West that objectively no longer exist is especially cringe and contemptable. But that is a symptom of the generational degradation amongst the elite. The ability for people to lie to themselves and deny what's in front their faces seems to become more pronounced every generation.

There was a time when I shared a very positive attitude towards Putin personally and was not overly hostile to the Kremlin but looking back now I can see that that was only possible due to not having any understanding of Russian or Soviet history. There is simply no fertile ground for Russian patriotism to flourish in the upper layers of Russian society. None. When the Roman empire teetered on the edge of oblivion where did it's saviors ALWAYS come from? Army Generals from peasant stock hitting the re-set button, it never came from the senators or the Praetorians and I do genuinely believe Russia is the 3rd Rome but not how the Zanaons mean. If Russia is going to come back it's going to be from the Army/GRU something like that just like with the Romans. It can't be from the court or its orbiters. And that's why the current Russian elite hates modern Russian Martial heroes with a passion.

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Don Smith's avatar

"A giant demographic chasm yawns open to swallow up the Slavlands, just like the shtetl wanted all along.", Do you think that might be what this is about? The purification by fire of the Kazarian homeland. War is usually about taking someone's shit, making money, or killing a certain people, of course these are stackable. Kind of doing the ground work for the construction of the new little Israel

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