Collective therapy? Or we just embrace our hatred and choose fight. That seems way more attractive.
I hate anybody that thinks you can just shrug off every transgression and beat everything bad with some kind of vague form of "love" or "forgiveness". Those things are definitely useful virtues to maintain peace and solidarity, but at some point you need to choose "fight" and "hate". There's definitely a balance to be achieved.
In college I had a roommate who was a real dick that I always had to work to forgive and not choose violence. At some point though you realize that no amount of reasoning, forgiveness or other non-violence will work and you NEED to choose fight. There are legitimately bad people in the world, so if you keep forgiving them they WILL take advantage of you. So one day I got so fed up with him that I clocked him in the face at a football game. I wasn't even drunk, but it was definitely stupid to do it there because I was immediately arrested. I was fined $500 and did 8 hours community service, but I don't even care because it had to be done (maybe just not at a heavily patrolled football game) and was totally worth it. All my friends were on my side too and gave me a ton of respect.
Forgiveness is good where it makes sense, but don't be a pussy. Sometimes you need to embrace your hatred and choose "fight". Violence is sometimes the answer.
If word gets around that you are a 'rowdy' type, people you know start provoking for no serious reason, while people you don't know but are part of your environment, they start giving you bad looks when you pass by. So there's that as well. Why?
1) crabs in a bucket mentality: they don't want you to be seen as a hardened type and risen in status. They are many, you are one, hence they feel protected by numbers
2) violence causes primal excitement and people crave to stand by/take part in an extraordinary situation, out of the boundaries of everyday, boring, ordinary human interactions.
3) envy: most people can't channel their emotions towards fighting, as stated in the post. They identify you as someone who can, they discover that a whole new dimension - that they previously disparaged as 'uncivilized' - is reality, and they are utterly unprepared for it. So they gang up acting outraged and brow-beating you. This mainly pertains to high status, learned (or at least credentialed) people.
"people you know start provoking for no serious reason"- well in my situation it mostly sent the message that if you piss me off enough I will eventually do something about it. My roommate backed off, apologized and wasn't a dick anymore after that. No one ever tried to provoke me or anything after that.
I agree with your assessment that being cast as 'rowdy' is disadvantageous for those reasons. It's really just a matter of striking a proper balance between forgiving others and having the will to defend yourself with violence if needed. In the west we're incorrectly taught in school that the latter is always bad with no exception which is mainly what I have a problem with.
Your situation would usually start a feud. He would try to get back at you because you punched him publicly.
It didn't happen, maybe because you were more popular. Or maybe because you two were too young and had more enjoyable things to do than keeping grudges. Or perhaps he felt vindicated in having given you a criminal record.
Anyhow, violence gives you a bad reputation, even if it requires courage. Especially in environments from lower-middle class upwards.
In fact, when under duress of this kind, it is always suggested 'not to bite' to provocation, to grin and bear under hostility, to ignore the aggressor(s), and in so doing 'demonstrating to be superior'.
Sure, I can see the bad aspects of violence if it becomes a habit, I can see the need to punish violent bullies. But I think violence is so shunned mostly because of reason 3 in the comment above, and because feud avoidance is key to public order.
Great analysis. I think psychopaths are about 1% of the general population, but they seem to be close to 100% of the political class. As to "fight, flight, or freeze," freezing may work better against natural predators like bears than fighting or fleeing, but freezing definitely is the wrong response to psychopathic humans who will enjoy keeping you alive while they slowly torture you. Against psychopaths, like our political class, apathy and avoidance are self-defeating; we need anger, hate, and a willingness to fight back against them and their schemes.
> apathy and avoidance are self-defeating; we need anger, hate, and a willingness to fight back against them and their schemes.
Nah, that's not going to end up well for you.
Being socially and politically compliant has become a vital part of life, as never before in Western history. The State holds a stronger monopoly of force than in any time past.
In this context, conformity has become endemic. Rebellion, even in its mildest form, now results in ejection from employment and a complete loss in social status.
Even more, presently a man's ability to conform and remain silent has become the fulcrum upon which his entire personal fate rests. Because of this, the majority of men choose to remain silent and inert, when it comes to the myriad of occasions in their everyday life when the woke tyranny can exert its oppression.
"Countries like Germany have, indeed, lost several wars and the German people have taken a blow to the psyche, but then how do we explain the self-abnegating tendency in the victor nations? The cause has to be psychological conditioning."
I would nitpick this a little, and say that "The MECHANISM has to be psychological conditiong." The cause is to be found in the history of the propagandists and public relations elites who have been degrading the mental state of the west since the 19th century.
To some extent, this proved to be the fatal flaw in the American experiment. Instead of being an enlightenment experiment of governance by discussion, thinking and deliberation, the political process devolved becauseof the need to win democratic elections. Simply put, manipulation appeals to most more than rational persuasion.
Excellent analysis and advice. A similar poison of White Guilt has been inflicted on Westmen, through the victimizers' control of media and education. Meme Pathogens have been installed inside us to prevent us from escaping the trap. We need Meme Curatives to overcome these Meme Pathogens.
In my map, it appears that the same antiwhite victimizers endeavor to destroy both the Europeans and the Slavs. Thank you for helping make sense of the situation and helping our people awaken.
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but only when one find that they can’t let the Hate out
but only when one finds that they can’t let the Hate out
Sure you were young, being young is probably the basic definition of "the best of times".
But you were also consuming social 'capital' hand over fist. And that social capital is now gone. You cannot go back. No matter how much pre-Vietnam music you/we listen to.
Violence is our future, partly thanks to your "best of times".
(Remember: it takes two for violence, and 'the other' hates your pre-Vietnam music, and you!)
They are pushing us to civilizational suicide by inhibiting our natural reflex to backlash, and you are talking about love.
My God if I miss the echochambers! This substack thing is untenable. Also on the technical side of things, you cannot even see the post and the comments together in one page.
It's eye-opening just to be on Gab and to see how diverse the dissident right is. Most of the older folks have lost their minds entirely with this Qanon stuff and, mostly, because they're starting to realize that everything they thought they knew about their country was wrong lol
The cross-pollination goes one way really. On this side I venture to say we have little to learn from the civic nationalists focused on covid-19 conspiracies.
I could see it, when one keeps meeting gentle women and considerate non-whites, in a wealthy city setting. If at the same time he does not get the dissident message constantly reinforced by regularly readings on the "dark web", then he may possibly start harbouring doubts. "Perhaps I am just looking for scapegoats for my own shortcomings", this kind of revisionist WW2-style thoughts.
Plus overt white nationalists play life on the highest difficulty, basically. That's why they can be seen only as the tip of the iceberg: the rest of the movement prefers to keep their heads down.
>"Perhaps I am just looking for scapegoats for my own shortcomings",
True, but I've noticed this only among WNs who take an interest in Christianity. They get really hooked on the "hate is bad" and the feeling guilt thing. All of a sudden they forget about the FBI crime stats they once had memorized.
True, it is unusual to deal with these types because they are clearly not the classic shitlibs. They are literally living fossils from the hippy ideology of the 1968 protests.
I don't think they come here on their own will, to provoke. They just got lost surfing the web, ending up in the wrong neighbourhood (figuratively speaking).
Collective therapy? Or we just embrace our hatred and choose fight. That seems way more attractive.
I hate anybody that thinks you can just shrug off every transgression and beat everything bad with some kind of vague form of "love" or "forgiveness". Those things are definitely useful virtues to maintain peace and solidarity, but at some point you need to choose "fight" and "hate". There's definitely a balance to be achieved.
In college I had a roommate who was a real dick that I always had to work to forgive and not choose violence. At some point though you realize that no amount of reasoning, forgiveness or other non-violence will work and you NEED to choose fight. There are legitimately bad people in the world, so if you keep forgiving them they WILL take advantage of you. So one day I got so fed up with him that I clocked him in the face at a football game. I wasn't even drunk, but it was definitely stupid to do it there because I was immediately arrested. I was fined $500 and did 8 hours community service, but I don't even care because it had to be done (maybe just not at a heavily patrolled football game) and was totally worth it. All my friends were on my side too and gave me a ton of respect.
Forgiveness is good where it makes sense, but don't be a pussy. Sometimes you need to embrace your hatred and choose "fight". Violence is sometimes the answer.
I never said a word about forgiveness lol.
There should be no limits to our anger.
If word gets around that you are a 'rowdy' type, people you know start provoking for no serious reason, while people you don't know but are part of your environment, they start giving you bad looks when you pass by. So there's that as well. Why?
1) crabs in a bucket mentality: they don't want you to be seen as a hardened type and risen in status. They are many, you are one, hence they feel protected by numbers
2) violence causes primal excitement and people crave to stand by/take part in an extraordinary situation, out of the boundaries of everyday, boring, ordinary human interactions.
3) envy: most people can't channel their emotions towards fighting, as stated in the post. They identify you as someone who can, they discover that a whole new dimension - that they previously disparaged as 'uncivilized' - is reality, and they are utterly unprepared for it. So they gang up acting outraged and brow-beating you. This mainly pertains to high status, learned (or at least credentialed) people.
"people you know start provoking for no serious reason"- well in my situation it mostly sent the message that if you piss me off enough I will eventually do something about it. My roommate backed off, apologized and wasn't a dick anymore after that. No one ever tried to provoke me or anything after that.
I agree with your assessment that being cast as 'rowdy' is disadvantageous for those reasons. It's really just a matter of striking a proper balance between forgiving others and having the will to defend yourself with violence if needed. In the west we're incorrectly taught in school that the latter is always bad with no exception which is mainly what I have a problem with.
Your situation would usually start a feud. He would try to get back at you because you punched him publicly.
It didn't happen, maybe because you were more popular. Or maybe because you two were too young and had more enjoyable things to do than keeping grudges. Or perhaps he felt vindicated in having given you a criminal record.
Anyhow, violence gives you a bad reputation, even if it requires courage. Especially in environments from lower-middle class upwards.
In fact, when under duress of this kind, it is always suggested 'not to bite' to provocation, to grin and bear under hostility, to ignore the aggressor(s), and in so doing 'demonstrating to be superior'.
Sure, I can see the bad aspects of violence if it becomes a habit, I can see the need to punish violent bullies. But I think violence is so shunned mostly because of reason 3 in the comment above, and because feud avoidance is key to public order.
Great analysis. I think psychopaths are about 1% of the general population, but they seem to be close to 100% of the political class. As to "fight, flight, or freeze," freezing may work better against natural predators like bears than fighting or fleeing, but freezing definitely is the wrong response to psychopathic humans who will enjoy keeping you alive while they slowly torture you. Against psychopaths, like our political class, apathy and avoidance are self-defeating; we need anger, hate, and a willingness to fight back against them and their schemes.
> apathy and avoidance are self-defeating; we need anger, hate, and a willingness to fight back against them and their schemes.
Nah, that's not going to end up well for you.
Being socially and politically compliant has become a vital part of life, as never before in Western history. The State holds a stronger monopoly of force than in any time past.
In this context, conformity has become endemic. Rebellion, even in its mildest form, now results in ejection from employment and a complete loss in social status.
Even more, presently a man's ability to conform and remain silent has become the fulcrum upon which his entire personal fate rests. Because of this, the majority of men choose to remain silent and inert, when it comes to the myriad of occasions in their everyday life when the woke tyranny can exert its oppression.
"Countries like Germany have, indeed, lost several wars and the German people have taken a blow to the psyche, but then how do we explain the self-abnegating tendency in the victor nations? The cause has to be psychological conditioning."
I would nitpick this a little, and say that "The MECHANISM has to be psychological conditiong." The cause is to be found in the history of the propagandists and public relations elites who have been degrading the mental state of the west since the 19th century.
To some extent, this proved to be the fatal flaw in the American experiment. Instead of being an enlightenment experiment of governance by discussion, thinking and deliberation, the political process devolved becauseof the need to win democratic elections. Simply put, manipulation appeals to most more than rational persuasion.
Excellent analysis and advice. A similar poison of White Guilt has been inflicted on Westmen, through the victimizers' control of media and education. Meme Pathogens have been installed inside us to prevent us from escaping the trap. We need Meme Curatives to overcome these Meme Pathogens.
In my map, it appears that the same antiwhite victimizers endeavor to destroy both the Europeans and the Slavs. Thank you for helping make sense of the situation and helping our people awaken.
small typo:
but only when one find that they can’t let the Hate out
but only when one finds that they can’t let the Hate out
Love is an involuntary response to virtue.
Hate is an involuntary response to malevolence.
Love without hate gets you (and any society that embraces it) dead.
All those peace nick songs are utter BS imo.
Btw: 1968 (which came immediately out of the pre-vietnam area) was one of the most violent years in the US history. https://www.history.com/news/1968-political-violence
Best of times?
Sure you were young, being young is probably the basic definition of "the best of times".
But you were also consuming social 'capital' hand over fist. And that social capital is now gone. You cannot go back. No matter how much pre-Vietnam music you/we listen to.
Violence is our future, partly thanks to your "best of times".
(Remember: it takes two for violence, and 'the other' hates your pre-Vietnam music, and you!)
Love, sure ... have you even read the article?
They are pushing us to civilizational suicide by inhibiting our natural reflex to backlash, and you are talking about love.
My God if I miss the echochambers! This substack thing is untenable. Also on the technical side of things, you cannot even see the post and the comments together in one page.
I like the cross-pollination aspect of substack.
It's eye-opening just to be on Gab and to see how diverse the dissident right is. Most of the older folks have lost their minds entirely with this Qanon stuff and, mostly, because they're starting to realize that everything they thought they knew about their country was wrong lol
The cross-pollination goes one way really. On this side I venture to say we have little to learn from the civic nationalists focused on covid-19 conspiracies.
I don't think anyone who takes the red pill ever goes back unless they're paid to do so like the Posobiec and the others.
I could see it, when one keeps meeting gentle women and considerate non-whites, in a wealthy city setting. If at the same time he does not get the dissident message constantly reinforced by regularly readings on the "dark web", then he may possibly start harbouring doubts. "Perhaps I am just looking for scapegoats for my own shortcomings", this kind of revisionist WW2-style thoughts.
Plus overt white nationalists play life on the highest difficulty, basically. That's why they can be seen only as the tip of the iceberg: the rest of the movement prefers to keep their heads down.
>"Perhaps I am just looking for scapegoats for my own shortcomings",
True, but I've noticed this only among WNs who take an interest in Christianity. They get really hooked on the "hate is bad" and the feeling guilt thing. All of a sudden they forget about the FBI crime stats they once had memorized.
It's just another left boomer like Tom.Trying to show them something new is a waste of time.
True, it is unusual to deal with these types because they are clearly not the classic shitlibs. They are literally living fossils from the hippy ideology of the 1968 protests.
I don't think they come here on their own will, to provoke. They just got lost surfing the web, ending up in the wrong neighbourhood (figuratively speaking).
Many of them are/were professional activits.Meaning they're agitators.So yes they come to provoke,even if they aren't particularly aware of it.