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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

I also shared your frustration when talking to the Trump cultists. I was a huge fan in 2016, donated, bet on him, max supported and was as fervent a fan as possible. I was even hugely forgiving in the first couple years until the grift and his (((advisors))) became so utterly ridiculous i couldn't hide it anymore. Yet it was impossible to even slightly convince my Trump friends this was a con.

The only consolation is that on a personal level, even to this day, Trump fans are still vastly preferable people to hang out with vice liberals.

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Stephen J. Kennedy's avatar

What you grant to Trump fans, you might think of granting to Trump as well. He wasn't the person you imagined him to be. So what? Trump is a decent man, who had good instincts. His problem was that he wan't smart enough, at least not the kind of smarts that he needed. To pick people over and over that stab you in the back, has to be considered a shortcoming. But, coming back to your comment about his fans ... listen to Trump speak now, and listen to his opponents, who do you prefer. Trump needed a friend who had the smarts and the knowledge of the 'swamp' that he lacked. Perhaps his ego was too big for that to happen ... that is another flaw for sure.

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

You bring up several good points, but then I also think about how Trump also "stabbed in the back" some of his biggest fans and advocates, over and over again.

Ann Coulter came to the White House very early on to warn him he was drifting off course from his original message. I think she brought up some very fair points, and of course look what happened to her, all because of Trump's ego. The Jan 6th defendants and his abandonment of them also comes to mind.

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Full Spectrum Domino's avatar

I remember thinking at the time Trump settled much too quickly on The China Flu (mis)branding, especially given all the hullabaloo surrounding Ft. Detrick in Maryland and the Military Games in Wuhan.

In the video below, is Trump intentionally stepping on Pompeo's 'live exercise' eff-up in an attempt to jostle the latter into recognition of his faux pas? Or is he honestly expressing his disappointment that the Chinese should have warned us about the leak-that-isn't-a-leak?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5000601/user-clip-we-live-exercise-here-mike-pompeo

I've watched this piece of video dozens of times. Alternate interpretations welcomed. Interpreted properly, it could represent a Rosetta Stone of sorts. The tragic flaw for Trump (if he was in fact duped, not altogether unlikely) is that the Trumpian Ego would be loath to relinquish the kudos that attend presiding over 'The Manhattan Project of the 21st Century'. Of course, we know now there was nothing warp speedish about Op Warp Speed. DOD/DARPA had the bones of this Op worked out years earlier.

As for Mike 'we lie, we cheat, we steal' Pompeo, he's so clearly speaking from a script (lodged in his ass) while laying the groundwork for the Yellow Peril of the 21st Century. [Don't look here! Look over there! This is a military program because of THEM!]

No, Trump for me remains a tantalizing mystery.

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Al DuClur's avatar

There is no winning over ardent partisan normies but I find I can nudge people towards sanity and I think that is useful.

This only works on people who basically get that the government and media are liars and see through more than one hoax.

There are plenty of middle of the road normies who allow themselves to get that one narrative is a hoax. This allows them to proudly think they are an independent thinker but it is just a cope. They are ardent believers in all the other hoaxes and do not want to be seen as a bad person by the establishment left.

A much smaller number see through two hoaxes. They default to first believing in the new thing but can be made to see it as just another hoax. Over time they are able to see more clearly what is going on. Some will even grapple with the Torah Question but cannot comfortably embrace it.

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HamburgerToday's avatar

[T]he peasants have demonstrated time and again that they do not possess any discernment skills whatsoever. They can, however, cheer for “their” team, and that is what discourse has come to resemble now: two sides of the bleachers heckling each other in between plays and penalties.'

I think this is an accurate assessment, except I object to blaming the peasants for having a ruling class that hates them and that spends enormous resources on professional liars to lie to them.

On the other hand, the peasants seem to be engaging in the only form of protest that remains at their disposal without the asset of solidarity and effective leadership: Turning away.

Every year, a smaller percentage of ordinary people engage with mass media and the 'culture industry'. The oligarchs cannot monetize indifference and no matter how much they exploit apathy, it doesn't make ordinary people any less apathetic about the oligarch's agendas.

'[T]ruth doesn’t really matter to most people, only team spirit.'

Yes.

'I have more compassion for the people who didn’t fall for the hoax and who didn’t want war with Russia, but who got taken along for the ride because of nefarious elites and their retarded neighbors going along with the agenda.'

At root, selective (or prioritized) compassion is the relevant coin of any future politics. If you want all the goodies, you need to be on my side. If you're not on my side, you get lip service. And not the fun kind.

'Everything is framed in terms of morality and then the peasants dutifully take sides, pick teams, rally behind their mascots and so on. It is their moral duty to do so after all. Only bad people don’t care about the plight of … whoever/whatever.'

Welcome to the Spectacle, where every policy is framed like a setup for a Mexican wrestling match...but less amusing.

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Jerry's avatar

Against all evidence, I cling desperately to the belief that it matters what I think. I refuse to accept that I'm some peasant that no politician cares about. Otherwise, why would I read blogs like this?

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

Because I make you chuckle and cry.

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Jerry's avatar

Yes you do. Thank you.

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cassandra's avatar

"Everywhere you look, global warming, veganism, tattoos on women - all social agendas designed to drive wedges between people by getting them to pick sides and set themselves against others. In our society, you can pick skins or shirts, but you cannot point out that the emperor has no clothes."

As a scientist, I'm used to entertaining multiple hypotheses or "sides", with my trust in any of them vacillating continuously depending on what evidence arises. I conclude very little, so my politics is on the tepid side (though not my sense of justice).

So, for instance, I can admit that Wagner has Nazi roots without concluding that it's morally equivalent to Azov. Going further, I really need to think about distinguishing between different kinds of Nazis before forming a clear opinion, and must compare both to Antifa for a sense of where they fall on the scale separating good from evil.

Trump? I saw him as a log-in-the-roadway of the juggernaut of globalism; he did some good things, some bad, but mostly he was a weak president with a platform frustrated by media-induced mass hysteria. The propaganda had to be taken seriously, but the politics was laughable, as well as insane.

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WirbelAether's avatar

I think if you want to reduce it to the core issues, it is not only hoaxes, but outright lie and childish base assumption never questioned.

Example "we are all equal", it is obvious lie, but the system "world" has this as a fundamental assumption. In fact, it can only work as long as this lie is believed.

I could go on and on about the deep implications and consequences of ridiculous basic assumption by this childish system "the world", also called "the international community".

Evolution, atomism, relativity, quantum, "viruses", on and on goes the cultish nonsense.

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Conservative Contrarian's avatar

If Trump was paddling on flat water, as opposed to up stream against white water, I would agree. I wasn't a fan of his in 2016 but I voted for him, considering the option. As far as I'm concerned he was the best President in at least the last 50 years. Not because he was exceptional, but because all the others were pathetic scum!

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RuPo's avatar

Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle.

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Peculier's avatar

Now, that is a concerning sentiment

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Ziggy's avatar

I agree for the most part with this post. However, Trump did not provoke the Ukraine War like Biden did. Trump also took down Doe vs Wade. Trump was removed because he did not want the war. There are differences. If Trump was not elected Doe vs. Wade would still be the law.

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Shooter 6's avatar

Your analogy is flawed. You're wrong about Trump, and the wall. Where the wall is complete, it is an effective component in the toolbox of border control. Where the wall is incomplete it is largely due to the extraordinary resistance and lawfare employed by opponents to delay/stop construction. Border security entails far more than a physical barrier, it requires the will to legally enforce existing law and all of the law's penalties. Without the consequences of legal enforcement and penalty, no physical barrier extending more than 2,000 miles is impenetrable.

(And consider: Without the advent of Trump, politically, it's unlikely we'd be having any conversations about any of these subjects at all.)

Scott Adams' use of the 'Socratic method' for a teachable-moment was, I think, a brilliant stroke. So brilliant, in fact, that we have heard remarkably little about it from the woke Left who desperately want to avoid debating it, preferring - as they always do - shrieking, wailing and pointing.

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Ziggy's avatar

Ron DeSantis as governor is really cracking down on the liberals. OK, maybe as president he will change, but as Governor he is actually doing something. The Governor is also negative on helping the Ukraine. DeSantis really took over all of Disney's government power and is filling the college governing boards with conservatives.

You might think: "Look, a post by gullible peasant!" but as governor DeSantis has done a lot. Laura Loomer has pointed out how he is not as great as people think, and I agree, but his accomplishments still stand.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

>Ron DeSantis as governor is really cracking down on the liberals.

No he isn't.

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Ziggy's avatar

DeSantis removed Disney's ability to create tax-free bonds. He put restrictions on teachers having perverted books in the classroom. He replaced liberals with conservatives on college boards. See the post below where DeSantis appointees eliminated the college diversity office. BlackRock backed down to him. He put $12 million in the budget to transport illegals to Democratic states. He is blocking the African-American history AP course. He cut abortion to 15 weeks. He banned requiring proof of vaccination. Now he is working on open-carry.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/new-college-conservative-board-votes-to-abolish-17811694.php

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

Regardless of DeSantis' neo-cohen ties, he's done a lot, but literally nothing will ever be good enough for the Trump crowd and others. Nothing. Honestly it's sad.

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Full Spectrum Domino's avatar

Serfdom is a thing. An indelible thing, probably of ancient providence. This is a horrible denouement to have to admit of oneself, of one's people and family. Talk about illiberality. The Enlightenment was a cruel joke --peasants dressed for a moment in time in the raiment of self-sovereignty.

In this dawning age of 3D printing, robotics and AI, the utilitarian value of serfs is plummeting. We are being euthanized en masse. What's so grimly fascinating about the serf mentality is it satisfaction with sussing the truth, talking amongst our fellow cognoscenti, but never attempting much more than that. There is an electric fence surrounding the gate to the paddock. Our innate sense of inferiority supplies the voltage.

It's a deeply inculcated, class identity.

We hope to be recognized somehow by our masters for how clever we are, as though such recognition should mark us for anything other than expedited euthanasia. There are no external kudos or rewards. The best dissidents seem always to be appealing to an invisible (but ultimately impervious or indifferent) teacher or guardian.

Whereas they seem convinced of their innate nobility. Impudence? Arrogance? Or something more? Perhaps there's something to this bloodline stuff that should garner more than our reflexive disdain? Though never a disdain of such primal force that we cannot help but hunt them down for their off-the-scale hubris.

Freedom should be its own reward; however, a permissioned freedom (recognition from above) is all that we seek. For years, I've referred to us as the Disorganized Masses. (See 2015's long essay in book form 'East-West Dialectics, Currency Resets & the Convergent Power of One')

Our psyches are branded. We are serfs, earmarked for even greater predations in the future, since the marginal cost of our allegiance has become too prohibitive to retain, even as a boy might keep pet spiders for the absent fun of pulling off their legs; only to discard the spiders summarily when a barrel of exotic snakes is placed in his midst. New toys!

The elites have transhumanism to look forward to, settling the universe in their image. We bore them. They've pulled our legs long enough.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

"But, basically, the ideal political system is one that doesn’t constantly try to hoax the peasants into doing something stupid all the time. There will still be politics and struggle, sure, but the peasants won’t don jerseys and fight each other on the street after the game."

If the scoundrels would just leave us alone... Unfortunately, doing that would prevent these megalomanic Grubbies from extracting all peasant wealth and inhibit them from micromanaging every aspect of peasant life. That's a no-no in the upcoming neofeudal technocratic surveillance state.

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Marilynne Mellander's avatar

The US and most of the worlds countries are about to give away their sovereignity to the WHO....that's the final nail in the coffin....even the good old US of A will be just another turd world country once this goes through....James Rogulski of substack https://jamesroguski.substack.com/ has tirelessly been covering this story which is largely happening behind the scenes while the slow motion war rages in Ukraine, et al and world citizens are kept scared by the daily news and idle threats from both Putin and the West....(let's hope their idle)

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

you should post a bitcoin and lightning address for people to somewhat-anonymously donate too.

Oh, and not to blow up this thread via bitcoin, but whether it's pure hopium or not, the central thesis is in fact to let people be left alone, at least those smart enough to self custody their own bitcoin.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

I did, but literally no one ever sent anything.

Dissident-minded people seem more comfortable handing over their credit card information than learning how to send crypto.

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Jerry's avatar

I'm suspicious that Bitcoin is a more useful surveillance system than credit cards. Transactions in Bitcoin can be traced back all the way to the origin of the blockchain. I'm not sure if that's so easy to do with funds from a credit card. I don't know enough about the inner workings of the banking system to know.

But, I subscribed to Marko Marjanovic's substack, and my credit card got put on hold because why was I buying something in Slavland? It took me three days to get it straightened out. And then he quit writing. Promise me you aren't going to quit writing!

I'm not afraid of going on some dissident list. I'm sure I've been on their list for decades.

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

All I can say is that your CC transactions are literally tied to your name, and go through a bank and a cc company, all with your name on it. With bitcoin, even if you've been exceptionally lazy to download some exchange wallet tied to your name, the actual transaction you do to send money to Rolo does not go through anyone, and nobody can block it. With a CC, it's real easy for the company or bank to just do a blanket block or flag on Rolo and then he and you are screwed.

If the gov for whatever reason wanted to find out your transactions, it takes them a fair amount of dedicated time and effort, and why would they do that over 50 bucks?

So that's the retard's use of bitcoin. If you are slightly smarter and download a privacy oriented wallet like Samurai, and use mixers, bouncers, etc... when you send, it's makes it much, much harder to trace any of those transactions and not worth it at all, or essentially impossible without an entire team of top gov crypto analysts.... again, over 50 bucks to some (no offense) charming but harmless dissident.

Again, i am not meaning to turn this into a bitcoin thread, but if you are having trouble subbing or donating to Rolo, please consider bitcoin. He'll get it just fine.

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Jerry's avatar

I can only hope that the government thinks of me and Rolo as charming but harmless dissidents. If there are enough of us, maybe the tide will turn.

Of course I would never change the topic in a comment thread. But assuming that the government has a team of top crypto analysts (probably armed with an AI computer) do you really think that Samurai wallets, mixers and bouncers are going to slow them down by more than a few nanoseconds? Then they could trace from me to Rolo to whoever Rolo spends money on, and up to where my tenants get their money from, and so forth until they nab the highly effective and dangerous dissident they're really going after?

And I just put in my subscription through debit card. So far so good.

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

I will end my input to this topic just saying this: my favorite aspect about the bitcoin debate is that time will tell who is right on this. Either Bitcoin will succeed massively as a wealth and transaction vehicle for the masses, or it will fail spectacularly. I strongly believe the former, simply because I do not ascribe as much competence and "5D chess" excellence to some mystical unknown group of Government crypto analysts using AI. Instead, I picture some utterly incompetent group of diversity hires screwing up everything they can just like they currently do in the CIA, NSA, etc... that will struggle pathetically to get ahead of the fact that bitcoin is taking over the world, as much as they couldn't stop the spread of the transistor.

There is absolutely no future for any fiat currency. They are all either sunk in cataclysmic levels of debt (US/EU), or completely non-transparent (Yuan). Your bank account can be frozen at any time.

Let me put it to you this way: If you were a citizen of Lebanon, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Turkey, etc... bitcoin would have saved your ass and let you leave and flee with all of your wealth intact. Don't think those outcomes can't happen in the west.

But again, enough on this topic from me... I could easily be wrong, and I'll be broke sending my little fake bitcoins from one samourai wallet to another like an autistic beanie babies collector.

Be well.

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Jerry's avatar

OK, thanks for your input, and thanks for the conversation.

I hope you're right that the CIA, NSA and other letter agencies are as incompetent as they seem to be.

And I wasn't meaning to express any opinion about the long-term success of Bitcoin. The scenario of an utter collapse of the USD and Western banking system, followed by failed attempts to create CBDC, and Bitcoin emerging as the dominant currency for world trade, is entirely possible.

My topic was more limited to explaining why I'm comfortable to use my debit card to pay for dissident Substacks.

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

maybe if you repost it, even to this message, a charitable soul may change his mind.

also... must say that marketing for such things is important too... but also could be the case it's just not as big as I'd like to think it is.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

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if you want to get behind the paywall, send 50$. I'll manually add you.

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Rurik Skywalker's avatar

I cant find you in the regular sub list. Give me your email, I'll delete teh comment after i read it.

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Dis Nuz Sack's avatar

All good brother. Just keep up what you're doing and good wishes your way. Don't give up on bitcoin and bitcoiners.

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philip88's avatar

All of what you write is obvious...the one who pay for the campaign control the politicians.

Trump has been "kasherised" long time ago..

In the 1990s he was bankrupt, Wilburg Ross lent him the money to survive in behalf of the Rothschilds. At the time Ross was the Rotshchild representative in the US.

Surprised?🤣

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