Its not just the prisoner swaps where Moscow gives back terrorist in exchange for people that got a bunch of Russian troops killed with bad intelligence and will likely do so again in the future.
Its also that the more based, bitter against Moscow and hardend guys on Russias side at the front know damn well that a soft approach to the Ukrainians just ensures a never-ending insurgency in the annexed territories. If Russia gets any new territory that is. And the more Moscow cucks, the more Moscow trys to lose, the more of these killers are going to emerge amongst Russian troops.
But just check out Rusichs take on the whole prisoner thing on their telegram page. You seriously cant refute their logic. Even if Russia wins there will be a worse insurgency than happened in the caucuses, and Moscow is so pro Ukrainian that the insurgents will have more backing than Russian troops and civilians. That is Moscow will ensure a bloody insurgency so its a matter of saving lives to be brutal now.
So kill everyone basically. Just dont be a dumbass and post it on the internet.
The insurgency has been ensured also by the refusal to clearly explain the goals of the SMO and then fight the war seriously as if the stated goals were truly important.
Even in 2022 most of Ukraine still wasn't rabid Banderites and things were still salvagable, although of course the whole place should have been taken over and cleared of Nazis back in 2014, which would have cost a few thousands casulaties at most back then.
But after years (and it will be years) of having their cities bombed and destroyed without a clear explanation why while in fact not doing much to "denazify" the regime, what are average Ukrainians supposed to think? And how many will have switched from being mostly positive towards Russia to strongly anti-Russian?
It started around WWI. The first massacres against Jews, Poles and Russians they comitted are from that time.
And, of course, the people responsible, e.g. Petliura, are national heros now.
Then they upped their game in WWII, which is where the Nazi cult comes from, and Bandera himself, together with Shukhevych and the rest. They were defeated, but not completely, and then eventually Khruschev amnestied them. Big mistake. Can we all just get along? No, we can't, what was started had to be finished, and it wasn't.
This is where 3-letter agency involvement starts - immediately at the end of the war. CIA had a large program to support Ukrainian nationalism as a way to destabilize the USSR.
USSR falls apart in 1991, and then they were free to do whatever they wanted. So they ratcheted it up to the max.
But it wasn't fully astroturfed, very far from it. Banderites were genuinely there in Galicia. Also, local oligrachs decided to team up with them as a way to irreversibly separate from Moscow, because they were always afraid Moscow will one day decide to recover what is rightfully Russian.
P.S. One can argue, and even Putin has done so, that Ukrainian nationalism as a whole is ultimately astroturfed, but that was not done by the CIA, it was done much earlier in the 19th century by the Austrians. There is truth to that, early Ukranian nationalists were funded by Austria-Hungary, in order to destabilize Russia.
Long term it was a remarkably successful program, even though it is others that are reaping the fruits of it now.
These Banderites or whatever you call them are not 'nazi' at all. Hell they even imprisoned the guy and put him in a camp. The whole Nazi vs Soviet thing is just drummed up again so they can easily kill their own brothers. It was very easy of the US and the Jews to do, just remind the Ukrainians of the holomodor and tell the Russians the nazis are back again on the border and you have a powder keg. Remember the first rule in war is to de-humanize your enemy. So Ukrainians call Russians orcs and Russians call Ukrainians bandera pigs. But they dont realise they are both ruled by the same Pigs above them. This war shows me how easily ww1 could happen became most people just roll into it and go with whatever crap is being told to them. Same with the covid hoax it scared me how easily the vast majority of the people just obeyed the government. All these problem Russia now faces are the fault of drunk and cowardly Soviet degenerate leaders who sold their country out. Putin tried to salvage what he could but in the end he has gotten outplayed by the west and now he is stuck betweeen years of endless war which he cannot win anymore and further weakening Russia or Surrender,pull back and face total humilation. The 3rd option is to use nukes to force the west to back off. But i doubt the olicharchs and Putins masters allow this to happen. Better to led millions of goyim and peasants die to killers drones and GPS artillery.
I don't know man according to the residents of Donbass they really have been getting blown up for the past 8 years. They have some pretty solid evidence that Kiev really did send the army and neo-nazis to violently subjugate them in 2014. The thesis that someone just told them nazis are at the border and they freaked out isnt tenable.
This whole mess is basically Stalins fault. Instead of actually killing every UPA member after the war he just threw them in the gulag and Khrushchev amnestied them. Much like Putin apparently Stalin softened up in his old age. Its true lots of UPA supporters fled to the US and Canada and later went on to work with the CIA but if Stalin had just liquidated all of the ones that fell into his hands like he did Soviet citizens that collaborated with the NS he would have made Zogs future work in Ukraine much harder.
When the USSR was dismantled there was already fresh soil in place due to the old UPA members being amnestied. As for whether or not the current crop of Ukrainian neo-nazis are real nazis is totally irrelevant. They LARP as nazis and think they are nazis. The fact that uncle Adolph likely would not consider SS material a bunch of guys with baphomet tattoos eating tiramisu on a jews private jet after not fighting to the last man after swearing they would isnt important in the least.
We could own Gayzov fanboys with the facts on logic but they won't change their minds. Russians who do consider them nazis wont be convinced otherwise because they dont like nazis anyway. As far as they are concerned even Hitler himself would take a ride with Abramovich because Hitler is bad. Like Abramovich and Zelensky.
However suggesting to Donbass residents and militiamen that the guys waving around 3rd reich symbols arent even real nazis so don't freak out isnt helpful nor is saying the Ukrainians are just mad about the famine almost 100 years ago.
Just like with Russia Ukraine today is driven by lots of overlapping interest amongst competing groups. The modern neo-nazis arent even the same as the banderites. The neo-nazis are actually east Ukrainian Russian speakers. They dont even care about Bandera much. They want some kind of East European superstate from the balkans to the Urals that will be a TRVE Aryan 4th reich. After they destroy Russia they will out 5D chess zog and turn on them they claim. The old school banderites are a Western Ukrainian thing. Of course the jews/NATO pull all their strings.
There at the globalist/jews/NATO level is where you have the overlap between Russias own elite and the enemies of the Russian people. The relevant question here is does Russia have any hope? Can Russia be salvaged? Ukraine categorically cannot. Its conquered and any banderite National pretensions are just as much a 5D LARP as some neo-nazi fantasy about an Eastern European Aryan superstate stretching from the Balkans to the urals after Gayzov defeats Zog after destroying Russia.
If you follow guys like Murz, Strelkov, hell even Khodakovsky and Tartarsky whom Strelkov and Murz hate they all make explicit that they are fighting for their bare survival. They have all said that they are just trying to stave off another 1917. There isnt much pretension about grand imperium or anything like that. Russian nazibols who have a big presence on the front speak of conquering Ukraine and Northern Khazakstan but they too are constantly saying its either 45 or 17. That is they dont see the destruction of the current RF as a stepping stone to some future greater Russia. Ukrainian neo-nazis on the other hand dont even remotely have any interest in the survival of the current Ukrainian state. Its also going to be done away with after Russia is destroyed. The banderites may be genuine Ukrainian patriots but their version of greater Ukraine requires war with Poland, Hungary, Russia, Belarus and basically all their neighbours. Russian Nationalist aspirations are totally different, northern Kazakhstan and Ukraine really are full of ethnic Russians and bringing them into the fold doesn't require WW3 which the banderite greater Ukraine does. Like the Banderite thought process is after NATO helps us destroy Russia we will go to war with NATO.
The point Im trying to get across is that the Ukrainian nationalist, whether neo nazi or banderite live in just as much a parallel fantasy reality as Moscows elites. Its clown world fever dream universe. Russian Nationalist however seem much more realistic and planted in reality. If Moscow is lost in a parallel universe than at least at the ground level, in the literal trenches and amongst the volunteers getting drones to the troops there are realistic, stoic, and pragmatic people who have a grasp on the true state of affairs.
Ukraine has a hord of LARPers and lunatics awash in fresh printed zog shekels, weapons and backed to the hilt by the most powerful yidividuals and globalist. Russia has realistic patriots with no state backing what so ever.
All the shekels and powerful backers wont mean anything when your soul is sold and you live in a perpetual LARP. So im comfortable writing off Ukraines nationalist prospects. The Russian Patriots as cliche and sappy as it is to say it really do have the truth behind them. Its not totally impossible that practical, realistic patriots can salvage Russia, prevent another outright 1917 and maybe even when Im a geriatric actually reclaim Northern Kazakhstan and the genuinely Russian parts of Ukraine.
What's this story of "Eastern Ukrainian Nazis" being different from "Western Ukrainian Banderites"? Prozorov states in his interviews that basically after Maidan '14 the hitherto quite regional and fringe Banderite ideology was imposed on the whole country - with ban of Russian language, radical changes in school curricula, etc. thanks to Western meddling. But he does not make references to any Eastern Ukrainian neo-Nazi collaborating in this.
Hi Rolo. Thanks to one of your previous articles I understood how "nationalists" was a bad word and Patriots was a good word in this interview. It's off-topic, but if you have time to watch maybe it's inspiring for you: https://youtu.be/i4HHAPeOXj0
If you are going to be "denazifying" Ukraine (and it is quite thoroughly nazified indeed so it very much needs denazification), then be serious about it.
The Azov exchange is far from the only example.
On January 1st there were still torch marches in cities, though scaled back for "security reasons" as clearly they were afraid of missile strikes. They need not have been so afraid. Because there was also an Azov torch procession on some hill outside a city too. For the most fanatic elements. You would think that's a perfect opportunity to destroy a lot of them in one convenient location without collateral damage.
Right? Just send a few Iskanders, and you have a thousand of the most rabid Nazis dead.
Well, they remained safe and intact.
And so it goes again and again and again.
I have no idea what these bozos are thinking.
Let's recall that when Western Ukraine was being denazified in the 1944-1956 period it cost 30,000 lives of soldiers, KGB operatives, and other security forces. And 100,000 Banderites were killed on the other side.
That is when Banderites were largely limited to Galicia and were probably less than a million srong altogether.
Well, now they were given all the time they needed to spread their tentacles all the way to Kharkov.
It is not unreasonable to estimate the problem to be 5-10x larger now than it was back then.
But on the other side you have neither the mighty Soviet war machine nor the equally mighty NKVD/MGB/KGB structures.
How is it going to end up this time if the war continues to be fought the same way?
How has the guy lost half his weight thanks to POW camp stay, then quickly regained all the flab just to be out of shape again and physically unfit for the combat he has now returned to? He's completely incontinent and utterly reckless to the point of having a deathwish.
So I think I inadvertently caught the award ceremony referenced. My wife watches Tucker every night. Apparently Mrs. Paiskeva was overshadowed by some tranny that gave Blinken a hug and kiss. I'll give Taira points for doing the best to hide her disgust. It's all so fake and gay.
I hope the Russians provide summary execution for every Azov bastard they recapture. Abramovich was just recognizing his fellow death cultists. His daughter is a "spirit cooker" and probable cannibal as well as good friend of so many "powerful" Americans particularly of the Leftist variety attacking Russia by proxy. Fuck these people. Anyone else seeing the anti-life network yet? Nothing will change until these people are purged from the earth.
Rolo, I knew that a similar swap had happened before, but didn't know it was still happening. If proven, and authorized by Putin, could that be sufficient grounds to oust him from power, since he'd be responsible for more unnecessary deaths of Russian soldiers? Of course, it could be counterproductive to change leadership in the middle of a war.
What a weak piece of russist propaganda shit...Another russist apologist for the weak minded losers...who dont know fk all about putin pa-russia, soviet union and fkin commi life...
So used to the accusations of being a cia agent that its refreshing to have the occasional drive by semi literate accusation of being a mindless Kremlin bot spewing Putin propaganda.
Its not just the prisoner swaps where Moscow gives back terrorist in exchange for people that got a bunch of Russian troops killed with bad intelligence and will likely do so again in the future.
Its also that the more based, bitter against Moscow and hardend guys on Russias side at the front know damn well that a soft approach to the Ukrainians just ensures a never-ending insurgency in the annexed territories. If Russia gets any new territory that is. And the more Moscow cucks, the more Moscow trys to lose, the more of these killers are going to emerge amongst Russian troops.
But just check out Rusichs take on the whole prisoner thing on their telegram page. You seriously cant refute their logic. Even if Russia wins there will be a worse insurgency than happened in the caucuses, and Moscow is so pro Ukrainian that the insurgents will have more backing than Russian troops and civilians. That is Moscow will ensure a bloody insurgency so its a matter of saving lives to be brutal now.
So kill everyone basically. Just dont be a dumbass and post it on the internet.
The insurgency has been ensured also by the refusal to clearly explain the goals of the SMO and then fight the war seriously as if the stated goals were truly important.
Even in 2022 most of Ukraine still wasn't rabid Banderites and things were still salvagable, although of course the whole place should have been taken over and cleared of Nazis back in 2014, which would have cost a few thousands casulaties at most back then.
But after years (and it will be years) of having their cities bombed and destroyed without a clear explanation why while in fact not doing much to "denazify" the regime, what are average Ukrainians supposed to think? And how many will have switched from being mostly positive towards Russia to strongly anti-Russian?
Just a total clusterfuck from start to finish...
According to this chap Prozorov, the Banderite thing in Ukraine was totally astroturfed by Western agencies since the 90s https://www.bitchute.com/video/7qF7N1c407PR/
Not quite.
It started around WWI. The first massacres against Jews, Poles and Russians they comitted are from that time.
And, of course, the people responsible, e.g. Petliura, are national heros now.
Then they upped their game in WWII, which is where the Nazi cult comes from, and Bandera himself, together with Shukhevych and the rest. They were defeated, but not completely, and then eventually Khruschev amnestied them. Big mistake. Can we all just get along? No, we can't, what was started had to be finished, and it wasn't.
This is where 3-letter agency involvement starts - immediately at the end of the war. CIA had a large program to support Ukrainian nationalism as a way to destabilize the USSR.
USSR falls apart in 1991, and then they were free to do whatever they wanted. So they ratcheted it up to the max.
But it wasn't fully astroturfed, very far from it. Banderites were genuinely there in Galicia. Also, local oligrachs decided to team up with them as a way to irreversibly separate from Moscow, because they were always afraid Moscow will one day decide to recover what is rightfully Russian.
P.S. One can argue, and even Putin has done so, that Ukrainian nationalism as a whole is ultimately astroturfed, but that was not done by the CIA, it was done much earlier in the 19th century by the Austrians. There is truth to that, early Ukranian nationalists were funded by Austria-Hungary, in order to destabilize Russia.
Long term it was a remarkably successful program, even though it is others that are reaping the fruits of it now.
These Banderites or whatever you call them are not 'nazi' at all. Hell they even imprisoned the guy and put him in a camp. The whole Nazi vs Soviet thing is just drummed up again so they can easily kill their own brothers. It was very easy of the US and the Jews to do, just remind the Ukrainians of the holomodor and tell the Russians the nazis are back again on the border and you have a powder keg. Remember the first rule in war is to de-humanize your enemy. So Ukrainians call Russians orcs and Russians call Ukrainians bandera pigs. But they dont realise they are both ruled by the same Pigs above them. This war shows me how easily ww1 could happen became most people just roll into it and go with whatever crap is being told to them. Same with the covid hoax it scared me how easily the vast majority of the people just obeyed the government. All these problem Russia now faces are the fault of drunk and cowardly Soviet degenerate leaders who sold their country out. Putin tried to salvage what he could but in the end he has gotten outplayed by the west and now he is stuck betweeen years of endless war which he cannot win anymore and further weakening Russia or Surrender,pull back and face total humilation. The 3rd option is to use nukes to force the west to back off. But i doubt the olicharchs and Putins masters allow this to happen. Better to led millions of goyim and peasants die to killers drones and GPS artillery.
I don't know man according to the residents of Donbass they really have been getting blown up for the past 8 years. They have some pretty solid evidence that Kiev really did send the army and neo-nazis to violently subjugate them in 2014. The thesis that someone just told them nazis are at the border and they freaked out isnt tenable.
This whole mess is basically Stalins fault. Instead of actually killing every UPA member after the war he just threw them in the gulag and Khrushchev amnestied them. Much like Putin apparently Stalin softened up in his old age. Its true lots of UPA supporters fled to the US and Canada and later went on to work with the CIA but if Stalin had just liquidated all of the ones that fell into his hands like he did Soviet citizens that collaborated with the NS he would have made Zogs future work in Ukraine much harder.
When the USSR was dismantled there was already fresh soil in place due to the old UPA members being amnestied. As for whether or not the current crop of Ukrainian neo-nazis are real nazis is totally irrelevant. They LARP as nazis and think they are nazis. The fact that uncle Adolph likely would not consider SS material a bunch of guys with baphomet tattoos eating tiramisu on a jews private jet after not fighting to the last man after swearing they would isnt important in the least.
We could own Gayzov fanboys with the facts on logic but they won't change their minds. Russians who do consider them nazis wont be convinced otherwise because they dont like nazis anyway. As far as they are concerned even Hitler himself would take a ride with Abramovich because Hitler is bad. Like Abramovich and Zelensky.
However suggesting to Donbass residents and militiamen that the guys waving around 3rd reich symbols arent even real nazis so don't freak out isnt helpful nor is saying the Ukrainians are just mad about the famine almost 100 years ago.
Just like with Russia Ukraine today is driven by lots of overlapping interest amongst competing groups. The modern neo-nazis arent even the same as the banderites. The neo-nazis are actually east Ukrainian Russian speakers. They dont even care about Bandera much. They want some kind of East European superstate from the balkans to the Urals that will be a TRVE Aryan 4th reich. After they destroy Russia they will out 5D chess zog and turn on them they claim. The old school banderites are a Western Ukrainian thing. Of course the jews/NATO pull all their strings.
There at the globalist/jews/NATO level is where you have the overlap between Russias own elite and the enemies of the Russian people. The relevant question here is does Russia have any hope? Can Russia be salvaged? Ukraine categorically cannot. Its conquered and any banderite National pretensions are just as much a 5D LARP as some neo-nazi fantasy about an Eastern European Aryan superstate stretching from the Balkans to the urals after Gayzov defeats Zog after destroying Russia.
If you follow guys like Murz, Strelkov, hell even Khodakovsky and Tartarsky whom Strelkov and Murz hate they all make explicit that they are fighting for their bare survival. They have all said that they are just trying to stave off another 1917. There isnt much pretension about grand imperium or anything like that. Russian nazibols who have a big presence on the front speak of conquering Ukraine and Northern Khazakstan but they too are constantly saying its either 45 or 17. That is they dont see the destruction of the current RF as a stepping stone to some future greater Russia. Ukrainian neo-nazis on the other hand dont even remotely have any interest in the survival of the current Ukrainian state. Its also going to be done away with after Russia is destroyed. The banderites may be genuine Ukrainian patriots but their version of greater Ukraine requires war with Poland, Hungary, Russia, Belarus and basically all their neighbours. Russian Nationalist aspirations are totally different, northern Kazakhstan and Ukraine really are full of ethnic Russians and bringing them into the fold doesn't require WW3 which the banderite greater Ukraine does. Like the Banderite thought process is after NATO helps us destroy Russia we will go to war with NATO.
The point Im trying to get across is that the Ukrainian nationalist, whether neo nazi or banderite live in just as much a parallel fantasy reality as Moscows elites. Its clown world fever dream universe. Russian Nationalist however seem much more realistic and planted in reality. If Moscow is lost in a parallel universe than at least at the ground level, in the literal trenches and amongst the volunteers getting drones to the troops there are realistic, stoic, and pragmatic people who have a grasp on the true state of affairs.
Ukraine has a hord of LARPers and lunatics awash in fresh printed zog shekels, weapons and backed to the hilt by the most powerful yidividuals and globalist. Russia has realistic patriots with no state backing what so ever.
All the shekels and powerful backers wont mean anything when your soul is sold and you live in a perpetual LARP. So im comfortable writing off Ukraines nationalist prospects. The Russian Patriots as cliche and sappy as it is to say it really do have the truth behind them. Its not totally impossible that practical, realistic patriots can salvage Russia, prevent another outright 1917 and maybe even when Im a geriatric actually reclaim Northern Kazakhstan and the genuinely Russian parts of Ukraine.
You should have your own blog.
What's this story of "Eastern Ukrainian Nazis" being different from "Western Ukrainian Banderites"? Prozorov states in his interviews that basically after Maidan '14 the hitherto quite regional and fringe Banderite ideology was imposed on the whole country - with ban of Russian language, radical changes in school curricula, etc. thanks to Western meddling. But he does not make references to any Eastern Ukrainian neo-Nazi collaborating in this.
I meant "astroturfed" in the sense of spread to the whole Ukraine. Just watch the video I linked instead of launching into lectures.
It's all part of the plan to reduce the surplus population.
Amen to that...Agenda 2030 in action..gotta get rid of those pesky white people
Interesting medical kit that cunt carries.
Aslin deserves what ever now comes his way.
He got away with his punishment of execution the last time.
There won't be a second chance.
Play nicely and get screwed over seems to be the message to Russia.
Hi Rolo. Thanks to one of your previous articles I understood how "nationalists" was a bad word and Patriots was a good word in this interview. It's off-topic, but if you have time to watch maybe it's inspiring for you: https://youtu.be/i4HHAPeOXj0
Kind regards, David
If you are going to be "denazifying" Ukraine (and it is quite thoroughly nazified indeed so it very much needs denazification), then be serious about it.
The Azov exchange is far from the only example.
On January 1st there were still torch marches in cities, though scaled back for "security reasons" as clearly they were afraid of missile strikes. They need not have been so afraid. Because there was also an Azov torch procession on some hill outside a city too. For the most fanatic elements. You would think that's a perfect opportunity to destroy a lot of them in one convenient location without collateral damage.
Right? Just send a few Iskanders, and you have a thousand of the most rabid Nazis dead.
Well, they remained safe and intact.
And so it goes again and again and again.
I have no idea what these bozos are thinking.
Let's recall that when Western Ukraine was being denazified in the 1944-1956 period it cost 30,000 lives of soldiers, KGB operatives, and other security forces. And 100,000 Banderites were killed on the other side.
That is when Banderites were largely limited to Galicia and were probably less than a million srong altogether.
Well, now they were given all the time they needed to spread their tentacles all the way to Kharkov.
It is not unreasonable to estimate the problem to be 5-10x larger now than it was back then.
But on the other side you have neither the mighty Soviet war machine nor the equally mighty NKVD/MGB/KGB structures.
How is it going to end up this time if the war continues to be fought the same way?
How has the guy lost half his weight thanks to POW camp stay, then quickly regained all the flab just to be out of shape again and physically unfit for the combat he has now returned to? He's completely incontinent and utterly reckless to the point of having a deathwish.
So I think I inadvertently caught the award ceremony referenced. My wife watches Tucker every night. Apparently Mrs. Paiskeva was overshadowed by some tranny that gave Blinken a hug and kiss. I'll give Taira points for doing the best to hide her disgust. It's all so fake and gay.
I hope the Russians provide summary execution for every Azov bastard they recapture. Abramovich was just recognizing his fellow death cultists. His daughter is a "spirit cooker" and probable cannibal as well as good friend of so many "powerful" Americans particularly of the Leftist variety attacking Russia by proxy. Fuck these people. Anyone else seeing the anti-life network yet? Nothing will change until these people are purged from the earth.
Rolo, I knew that a similar swap had happened before, but didn't know it was still happening. If proven, and authorized by Putin, could that be sufficient grounds to oust him from power, since he'd be responsible for more unnecessary deaths of Russian soldiers? Of course, it could be counterproductive to change leadership in the middle of a war.
Replace him with who?
whom
Lesson. Never release your enemies until the war is over. Or just never release your enemies.........
At least "Taira" is actually a woman. Unlike some other dubious females on the front lines.
What a weak piece of russist propaganda shit...Another russist apologist for the weak minded losers...who dont know fk all about putin pa-russia, soviet union and fkin commi life...
Fuckputin and putin russia
Thanks for chiming in.
I'm like 90% sure that's a bot, what retard would make a comment like this
Anytime 🤙
Not just fuck putinruzzia and rasha fuck losers in pa-russia. I bet this loser doesnt even no shit about how the USsr an how russia is full of ziggers
Such intelligence displayed. What a thought-provoking post.
Its the kind of commentary that make the blog worth the paid sub
I would say Rolo is doing something right if he's attracting the mindless trolls.
So used to the accusations of being a cia agent that its refreshing to have the occasional drive by semi literate accusation of being a mindless Kremlin bot spewing Putin propaganda.